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Originally Posted by iLeakStuff View Post

The hysterical irony in it all is the fact that AMD fans said they don`t give a damn about electricity cost when GTX 980 arrived for vastly better efficiency over 290X.
But with R9 Nano and Maxwell overclocking, power consumption suddenly matters very much

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The efficiency and power consumption argument is an Nvidia one.. Don't try spin what he said.

He was saying that a 390x's power consumption doesn't matter when you need to overclock an Nvidia card to match it.
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Shadowplay is really useful for recording gameplay; it's free and you don't need a capture card to record footage, and you hardly sacrifice any performance to record gameplay.

NVENC (what Shadowplay uses) is alright, but I prefer software encoders like x264 (via OBS or Dxtory). x264 has better quality for a given bitrate, more options, and can be configured for reasonably low overhead.

NVENC is most useful for CPU limited scenarios...but since I've been using Intel hex cores in all of my primary systems for the last five years, I rarely see a large hit with a well configured software encoder.

If you are on a dual-core or a quad-core without SMT, NVENC may well be the best way to capture game video if you don't want to have to resort to a dedicated capture card.
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I know AMD has something like it but I'm not sure how well it works compared to shadowplay.

AMD's VCE is still worse than NVIDIA's NVENC, to the best of my knowledge.

However, I have not personally used VCE on GCN 1.2+ GPUs....only 1.0 and 1.1.

Intel's QuickSync is also an option for people with mainstream Intel parts. I have little experience with it after Sandy though, so I can't say how it's improved in the last few generations. Used to be the worst option of the major hardware encoders one was likely to have, as far as quality vs. bitrate goes, but that may have changed.
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Originally Posted by iLeakStuff View Post

The hysterical irony in it all is the fact that AMD fans said they don`t give a damn about electricity cost when GTX 980 arrived for vastly better efficiency over 290X.
But with R9 Nano and Maxwell overclocking, power consumption suddenly matters very much

lachen.gif

Apples to oranges.

Do you care about 1 or 2 dollars more a month in electricity? Be honest. It's not an AMD fan thing.

As for Nano, that's a 6 inch card for small form factor build enthusiasts. Varying on the size of the build, sometimes they may only allow for a smaller power supply, other times they can allow for a decent sized power supply. Being able to fit as much performance as Nano, into a card its size, required power tuning. This has nothing to do with AMD fans talking about power consumption in terms of saving money on their monthly bill. This has to do with SFF users wanting to cram as much performance as possible in as small of a form factor as possible. That's it.
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Originally Posted by GorillaSceptre View Post

I know in South Africa Nvidia is always more expensive, I've heard Europe is the same story. The U.S seems like it's one of the few countries where Nvidia sells at a reasonable price.

I use "reasonable" lightly tongue.gif
Confirming from Eastern Europe, the nVidia and Intel prices are too high.
A 5960x costs 1000$ in USA.
Here its 1450$.
A 4960x costs just 50$ cheaper...
You get Asus STRIX 980 for 850$, and Fury X for 870$, where Fury Nano is 800$ or 1000$, depending if you are getting Sapphire or Asus. Cheapest 980 Ti costs 20$ more than the Fury X.
A TitanX costs as much as the 5960x - ~1500$. A normal Fury is 750$.
390x is 580$, thats 140$ cheaper than the cheapest 980 Ti you get. 290x is 450$, where the 970 is at the same price +10-15$ on top. The same AIBs in USA are 350$ and are around 350$ as well.
Here the Intel/nVidia bias is less intense, but is still found. More and more people are buying second hand AMD's, or are going combo MB + APU's and calling it a day.
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Confirming from Eastern Europe, the nVidia and Intel prices are too high.
A 5960x costs 1000$ in USA.
Here its 1450$.
A 4960x costs just 50$ cheaper...
You get Asus STRIX 980 for 850$, and Fury X for 870$, where Fury Nano is 800$ or 1000$, depending if you are getting Sapphire or Asus. Cheapest 980 Ti costs 20$ more than the Fury X.
A TitanX costs as much as the 5960x - ~1500$. A normal Fury is 750$.
390x is 580$, thats 140$ cheaper than the cheapest 980 Ti you get. 290x is 450$, where the 970 is at the same price +10-15$ on top. The same AIBs in USA are 350$ and are around 350$ as well.
Here the Intel/nVidia bias is less intense, but is still found. More and more people are buying second hand AMD's, or are going combo MB + APU's and calling it a day.

The prices are just as ridiculous in SA..

When i bought my 570 i could of nearly done SLI 580's for the same price if i lived in the States.
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Apples to oranges.

Do you care about 1 or 2 dollars more a month in electricity? Be honest. It's not an AMD fan thing.

As for Nano, that's a 6 inch card for small form factor build enthusiasts. Varying on the size of the build, sometimes they may only allow for a smaller power supply, other times they can allow for a decent sized power supply. Being able to fit as much performance as Nano, into a card its size, required power tuning. This has nothing to do with AMD fans talking about power consumption in terms of saving money on their monthly bill. This has to do with SFF users wanting to cram as much performance as possible in as small of a form factor as possible. That's it.

I care about heat and noise, in which case a smaller TDP card matters.
I didnt single you out, but there were a couple of efficiency and electricity cost comments here when the pre Nano launch discussions began. Although the Nano have a 175W TDP, the card is still very power hungry anyway. (source: https://tpucdn.com/reviews/AMD/R9_Nano/images/power_peak.gif). The power consumption numbers isnt that much lower than GTX 980Ti actually. Average numbers here
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If I was to pick a card that had half the TDP and about the same performance as the competitor, I`d pick the card with the half TDP any day of the week. Which is why GTX 970 was super popular.
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I care about heat and noise, in which case a smaller TDP card matters.
I didnt single you out, but there were a couple of efficiency and electricity cost comments here when the pre Nano launch discussions began. Although the Nano have a 175W TDP, the card is still very power hungry anyway. (source: https://tpucdn.com/reviews/AMD/R9_Nano/images/power_peak.gif). The power consumption numbers isnt that much lower than GTX 980Ti actually. Average numbers here
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If I was to pick a card that had half the TDP and about the same performance as the competitor, I`d pick the card with the half TDP any day of the week. Which is why GTX 970 was super popular.
"half TDP " " same performance" " was super popular ".

Should i just leave it like that, or tell you where you are wrong ?
Okay :

"Half TDP " - the 970 Mini doesn't offer half the TDP, in fact it offers absolutely the same one as the Nano. The power consumption is ~20 watts +_ depending on the game. Also i find it utterly stupid to compare PEAK power draw, that lasts less than a second. Why not maximum average draw ?

Also, the Nano may not be much ahead of the 980 Ti in power consumption, but same is with the 970. The difference is really small. 20 watts, for a month you cant even get a 1$ saved with that.

"same performance" - the Nano destroys the 970 in almost all games by solid 10%.
"was super popular" - how many ITX cards are there out by AMD ? I know only of the Nano. And it released less than month ago. When did the 970 Mini was released ? Yea right, it was some time ago, and it was only after-market solution from another AIB. There were no reference 970 Mini. You are not trying to compare apple to oranges, you are trying to compare potato to rock.
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I care about heat and noise, in which case a smaller TDP card matters.
I didnt single you out, but there were a couple of efficiency and electricity cost comments here when the pre Nano launch discussions began. Although the Nano have a 175W TDP, the card is still very power hungry anyway. (source: https://tpucdn.com/reviews/AMD/R9_Nano/images/power_peak.gif). The power consumption numbers isnt that much lower than GTX 980Ti actually. Average numbers here
.

If I was to pick a card that had half the TDP and about the same performance as the competitor, I`d pick the card with the half TDP any day of the week. Which is why GTX 970 was super popular.
Gpuboost 2.0 works by making accurate measurements, but is terribly slow next to Powertune 2.0 which is approximate, but capable of switching at 500 Hz while Gpuboost is switching only up to 100 Hz(33 Hz according to Linus).
Hence, Nvidia gpus no longer have the advantage when working under a power budget. The hypocrisy is all cards are tested on an open bench system...
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Originally Posted by GorillaSceptre View Post

The efficiency and power consumption argument is an Nvidia one.. Don't try spin what he said.

He was saying that a 390x's power consumption doesn't matter when you need to overclock an Nvidia card to match it.
Problem is that difference is very huge regarding power consumption, OCed 980 is very far from stock 390X and with both cards overclocked, delta is an amazing 200W :



And if you read the review, you that the OCed 980 wins on 8/10 1440p games against the XFX 390X OCed (1180MHz).

http://www.sweclockers.com/test/21015-gainward-geforce-gtx-980-ti-phoenix-golden-sample/9#content
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Originally Posted by Olivon View Post

Problem is that difference is very huge regarding power consumption, OCed 980 is very far from stock 390X and with both cards overclocked, delta is an amazing 200W :

That's not the point.

I'm saying that you can't use efficiency and power cost in the same argument, one of them has to go out the window.
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