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Don't care. I never keep the factory image anyway. Doesn't take away that ThinkPads are amazing laptops, hardware-wise, anyway.

As someone who used to support Lenovo Thinkpads a few years ago, I strongly disagree. They were horrible, but sadly, probably better than the rest, but that's not saying much. I don't think I had a single T410 out of hundreds, possibly 1000 that didn't have to get sent back to Lenovo within their lifespan due to the CPU fan failing. And no, they were not all the same batch. Not to mention the countless hard drive failures of people barely dropping their Thinkpads, sometimes on carpet.

I don't get this reputation Thinkpads have as amazing laptops. Not after 4 years of supporting them.

Edit: And while the T410's were the worst, most of the other models we got throughout the years (T420, T440p, X201, X220, etc.) had their own issues. Not as widespread enough as the T410's were, but enough that I can honestly say I never had a model of Thinkpads there this didn't have frustrating issues. T430's I think ended up being the closest to no widespread issues we got. But they had such a crappy touchpad.
Edited by Sir Beregond - 9/24/15 at 10:05am
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I have an IdeaPad 570 that I use daily (since 2011? maybe 2012) and it has not once given me an issue. That said, I am now taking Lenovo off my recommendation list for consumer use.
   
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As someone who used to support Lenovo Thinkpads a few years ago, I strongly disagree. They were horrible, but sadly, probably better than the rest, but that's not saying much. I don't think I had a single T410 out of hundreds, possibly 1000 that didn't have to get sent back to Lenovo within their lifespan due to the CPU fan failing. And no, they were not all the same batch. Not to mention the countless hard drive failures of people barely dropping their Thinkpads, sometimes on carpet.

I don't get this reputation Thinkpads have as amazing laptops. Not after 4 years of supporting them.

Edit: And while the T410's were the worst, most of the other models we got throughout the years (T420, T440p, X201, X220, etc.) had their own issues. Not as widespread enough as the T410's were, but enough that I can honestly say I never had a model of Thinkpads there this didn't have frustrating issues. T430's I think ended up being the closest to no widespread issues we got. But they had such a crappy touchpad.

I have my own fleet of several dozen T440's and X240's and my own X250, and very few of them ever given me issues. My statement stands. I didn't say it out of blind fanboyism but due to my own experiences with them.

I must ask though, the HDD failures you mention, would you blame that on Lenovo, or the actual manufacturer of the hard drives (Seagate, WD, Hitachi, etc)?
     
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I have my own fleet of several dozen T440's and X240's and my own X250, and very few of them ever given me issues. My statement stands. I didn't say it out of blind fanboyism but due to my own experiences with them.

I must ask though, the HDD failures you mention, would you blame that on Lenovo, or the actual manufacturer of the hard drives (Seagate, WD, Hitachi, etc)?

If you have seen any of Lenovo's advertising for their Thinkpad lines, one of them is that their laptops can withstand so much and the hard drive still be fine. That was never my experience with the hundreds of broken hard drives I had to replace over 4 years as well as multiple first hand witnessing of laptop drops from sometimes barely no height onto a table, or in other cases, carpeted floor. The floor one is iffy sure, but 2 inches off a desk? Give me a break.

I had a T440 in my last job up until a couple of weeks ago. No issues whatsoever with it. Was actually very happy with it.

And again, I am coming from supporting several thousand Thinkpads in the course of 4 years, that was now 2 jobs ago. But that did not leave Lenovo in good standing with me. The statistical trend with this number of Thinkpads was that each model had some sort of issue, some not serious, others which in my mind rendered the model completely defective (see T410 cpu fan error).

And yeah, will be telling anyone I know to reimage their laptops if they buy one...
Edited by Sir Beregond - 9/24/15 at 11:02am
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I know a couple companies who have a policy of no Lenovo allowed. Even if they use their own OS image, they were worried about stuff being in the bios or other firmware itself.
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Lenovo tends to have the nicest laptops, but I've always favored Dell all the way.
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I have my own fleet of several dozen T440's and X240's and my own X250, and very few of them ever given me issues. My statement stands. I didn't say it out of blind fanboyism but due to my own experiences with them.

I must ask though, the HDD failures you mention, would you blame that on Lenovo, or the actual manufacturer of the hard drives (Seagate, WD, Hitachi, etc)?

If you have seen any of Lenovo's advertising for their Thinkpad lines, one of them is that their laptops can withstand so much and the hard drive still be fine. That was never my experience with the hundreds of broken hard drives I had to replace over 4 years as well as multiple first hand witnessing of laptop drops from sometimes barely no height onto a table, or in other cases, carpeted floor. The floor one is iffy sure, but 2 inches off a desk? Give me a break.

I had a T440 in my last job up until a couple of weeks ago. No issues whatsoever with it. Was actually very happy with it.

And again, I am coming from supporting several thousand Thinkpads in the course of 4 years, that was now 2 jobs ago. But that did not leave Lenovo in good standing with me. The statistical trend with this number of Thinkpads was that each model had some sort of issue, some not serious, others which in my mind rendered the model completely defective (see T410 cpu fan error).

And yeah, will be telling anyone I know to reimage their laptops if they buy one...

Heh, Ditto but for Dell. Once you get beyond a few hundred you start to notice trends. One model it seemed if anything broke it would always, without fail (heh), be the PSU. Another was only HDDs. Thankfully I don't have to repair a very high number of anything, but the trends show themselves. "Oh look, a user called in a Model Y that wont turn on. Bet ya it's Problem X..."

And man, Lenovo is great for kids who need strong comps for school while not spending the Apple/Dell/HP premium. Why do they have to do this? mad.gif
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"Hrenovo" in Russian means bad, poor quality wink.gif
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It's amazing our PC's run decently at all, with spyware installed at every step.

Microsoft bundles it with the OS, Lenovo adds more spyware on top of that. I bet it wont be long now until I hear about a motherboard manufacturer including spyware in the UEFI.
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A-Data SP600 256gb SSD (C:) Samsung 840 EVO 1TB SSD (D:) Seagate 2TB Hybrid Drive (E:) LITE-ON 24x DVDRW 
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Corsair H110 Win 10 x64 HP 2511x ( 25" 1080p ) AZIO L70 
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Google even spy me, so are microsoft, EA, facebook and many more......
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Seagate 80GB 7200rpm Maxtor 250GB 7200rpm Cooler Master Hyper 212+ Windows 10 Pro 
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BenQ XL2720z @ 1920x1080 144Hz Silverstone Ps06 
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Core 2 Quad Q9650 Gigabyte EP41-UD3L Asus 1GB Radeon 7790 DirectCU OC Corsair Gaming Ram 2GBx2 DDR2-800 
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Samsung 80GB 7200rpm Western Digital 200GB 7200rpm Cooler Master Hyper TX3 Windows 7 pro 
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Seagate 80GB 7200rpm Maxtor 250GB 7200rpm Cooler Master Hyper 212+ Windows 10 Pro 
MonitorCase
BenQ XL2720z @ 1920x1080 144Hz Silverstone Ps06 
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Core 2 Quad Q9650 Gigabyte EP41-UD3L Asus 1GB Radeon 7790 DirectCU OC Corsair Gaming Ram 2GBx2 DDR2-800 
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Samsung 80GB 7200rpm Western Digital 200GB 7200rpm Cooler Master Hyper TX3 Windows 7 pro 
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Samsung 226bw 1680x1050 Acbel iPower 510w (450w PSU) LianLi PS05 
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