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I've already learned to keep my expectations in check when in comes to new AMD CPU architectures after what we got with Barcelona and Bulldozer.

I'm also very disappointed with what Intel has been offering these past few years and this trend seems like its not going away soon. Their last good CPU jump was Sandybridge, IMO.

I'll just wait and see what Zen will bring to the table.
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I've already learned to keep my expectations in check when in comes to new AMD CPU architectures after what we got with Barcelona and Bulldozer.

I'm also very disappointed with what Intel has been offering these past few years and this trend seems like its not going away soon. Their last good CPU jump was Sandybridge, IMO.

I'll just wait and see what Zen will bring to the table.

Agreed.
And this may be the reason we don't have desktop class AVX-512 Intel CPU.

Zen really got to perform better than Ivy-bridge at least.
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As long as their statement about Zen having 40% higher IPC than Excavator is accurate, there is no way it would match anything newer than Sandy Bridge (in terms of average performance). When you take AMDs current situation into account, I don´t think they can afford of making any understatements regarding Zen.
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As long as their statement about Zen having 40% higher IPC than Excavator is accurate, there is no way it would match anything newer than Sandy Bridge (in terms of average performance). When you take AMDs current situation into account, I don´t think they can afford of making any understatements regarding Zen.

I am thinking positive too redface.gif
Even if Zen performs good in just Synthetic benchmarks based on heavy SIMD/Vector processing at that time, it will work.
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There was also no way of Intel ever making a CPU faster than the A64 after the Pentium 4/D...


Yeah, there isn´t basically any difference at all between the two companies.

In 2004 Intel had 8.41 billion USD worth of cash & equivalent assets and four own fabs.

In 2013 AMD had 0.869 billion USD worth of cash & equivalent assets and no fabs at all.



I don´t think these facts make any difference what so ever smile.gif

 



And just like Intel, AMD had a good core and did a fundamental change which didn't turn out good and they're moving away from it.

They haven't produced a major core in the last 5 years, their Opteron lineup is seriously out of date, most of their cash and efforts has been on Jaguar/Zen. AMD is not taking Zen like a 'let's see how this goes'.
   
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No way Take or pay. AMD has no choice I think. They are at the mercy of GF and Samsung.
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And just like Intel, AMD had a good core and did a fundamental change which didn't turn out good and they're moving away from it.

They haven't produced a major core in the last 5 years, their Opteron lineup is seriously out of date, most of their cash and efforts has been on Jaguar/Zen. AMD is not taking Zen like a 'let's see how this goes'.

The only reason why Intel was able to recover so fast after their downfall with Netburst, is because they had a highly efficient core design ready (P6M), the money and the fabs. AMD meanwhile neither got a design they can or even want to modify (in the same way Intel did with P6M), the money or the fabs.

Jaguar cores were designed in 2011-2012 time frame and the improved Puma cores immediately after that.
AMD has made several designs after the first Bulldozer, however they have never been released.

Family 14h Model 00-0Fh (ON APU) - Released
Family 14h Model 10-1Fh (KR APU) - Scrapped

Family 15h Model 00-0Fh (OR CPU) - Released
Family 15h Model 10-1Fh (TN/RL APU) - Released
Family 15h Model 20-2Fh (KM 5CU CPU) - Scrapped
Family 15h Model 30-3Fh (KV/GV APU) - Released
Family 15h Model 40-4Fh (SR-DT 3CU CPU) - Scrapped
Family 15h Model 60-6Fh (CZ/BR SoC/APU) - Released / Pending
Family 15h Model 70-7Fh (ST SoC/APU) - Pending

Family 16h Model 00-0Fh (KB SoC) - Released
Family 16h Model 10-1Fh (TJ SoC) - Scrapped
Family 16h Model 20-2Fh (KT / PR / GA SoC) - Scrapped
Family 16h Model 30-3Fh (ML SoC) - Released
Family 16h Model 60-6Fh (NL SoC) - Scrapped or Delayed

Quite a track record and money well spent I must say.
Edited by The Stilt - 9/25/15 at 3:54am
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Yeah, no. There is just no way.

Yeah but isn't the Zen 16 Cores with Hyperthreading? I'd say its possible with MOAR CORES!

Plus im pretty sure Intel has purposefully been holding back improvements waiting on AMD to make a move.
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So 16nm vs 14nm biggrin.gif. Intel's manufacturing process, ironed out, will give the biggest smackdown in the history of smackdowns smile.gif. For some reason I thought Zen is 14 but I could not have been more wrong.
 
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LOL, you really want to start that?

$900 9590 says hello. Let's compare that to a 5960X, dollar for dollar launch prices.

Since we are cherry picking afterall lachen.gif
You keep bringing up a product for stupid people at 100 US dollar the 8320 was very good value. Not performance but value was very good.
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