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Just goes to show hector made a bad deal and it still is costing them. thumb.gif
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q4 2016 is a long ways off. it will be what, 4 years since the last decent cpu from amd? it already feels like an eternity. whatever process they use i just hope it isn't delayed
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Originally Posted by BiG StroOnZ View Post

This article surely puts a wrench in AMD's supposed fears of using GloFo:
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GlobalFoundries, "14nm yields are exceeding our plans"

GlobalFoundries, which started to manufacture chips using 14nm low-power early (14LPE) manufacturing technology several months ago, said on Friday that its yields exceed its original expectations. One of the world’s largest contract makers of semiconductors does not reveal its actual 14nm volumes, but since the chips are made for customers, they should meet demands of the latter.

GF: 14nm yields are great

Our 14nm FinFET ramp is exceeding plan with best-in-class yield and defect density,” said Jason Gorss, senior manager of corporate and technology communications at GlobalFoundries. “The early-access version of the technology (14LPE) was qualified in January and is well on its way to volume production, meeting yield targets on lead customer products.”

GlobalFoundries and Samsung are working together in a bid to improve yields and further decrease defect density of the 14nm LPE fabrication process. While the two companies do some changes in the process flow, they tend to stay close to the original and each other in order to offer their clients complete design compatibility and performance consistency. The company claims that there is a special process in place, which resembles Intel Corp.’s “Copy Exactly” methodology. The “Copy Exactly” requires matching equipment configuration, chemical purity, process recipes and a lot of other things.

It looks like everything is good with 14nm LPE yields at GlobalFoundries and Samsung Foundry. While the Fab 8 upgrade process is not yet finished, it makes a great sense for the chipmaker to wait for ASML’s Twinscan NXT:1980Di to arrive because it can process even more wafers (275wph), thus improving productivity and profitability.

http://www.kitguru.net/components/anton-shilov/globalfoundries-14nm-yields-are-exceeding-our-plans/

Should I update the OP or do you think the information doesn't really change anything?

I'd update. WCCF is usually wrong, and this is relevant.
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I'd update. WCCF is usually wrong, and this is relevant.

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Haswell is about 15-20% IPC over SB, by the time Zen is out Broadwell-E/Skylake-E is out already.

Because E series chips are all the rage now and both Intel and AMD are banking on that segment right?
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Because E series chips are all the rage now and both Intel and AMD are banking on that segment right?

$1000 chips help to sell $200 - $300 chips....

The $1000 chips let people know which is the fastest, and if they can't afford it, they can get something as fast for a fraction of the cost. wink.gif
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$1000 chips help to sell $200 - $300 chips....

The $1000 chips let people know which is the fastest, and if they can't afford it, they can get something as fast for a fraction of the cost. wink.gif

You're taking this by the view from an enthusiast. Of course people here tend to look at reviews, graphs and what not but your typical store somewhere doesn't have that and they sure as heck (at least here) don't have E series chips inside them.

Imho, I don't see the point for AMD to shoot near the E chips and they should focus on mainstream/high(er)-end ones. Easier to sell and easier to sell to OEMs.

Actually to think about it. Stores should print out "books" with reviews in them next to an PC they are selling biggrin.gif
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You're taking this by the view from an enthusiast. Of course people here tend to look at reviews, graphs and what not but your typical store somewhere doesn't have that and they sure as heck (at least here) don't have E series chips inside them.

Imho, I don't see the point for AMD to shoot near the E chips and they should focus on mainstream/high(er)-end ones. Easier to sell and easier to sell to OEMs.

Actually to think about it. Stores should print out "books" with reviews in them next to an PC they are selling biggrin.gif
they have been doing mainstream CPU for the past 4-5yrs, it doesnt work on them.

if u check history, only Athlon64 is the one capable to eat major chunk of market share from Intel. lets check again how much performance/price advantages AMD have over pentium 4? Yup thats all it takes to take over Intel. if it is just 10% better, people will still opt for Intel
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they have been doing mainstream CPU for the past 4-5yrs, it doesnt work on them.

if u check history, only Athlon64 is the one capable to eat major chunk of market share from Intel. lets check again how much performance/price advantages AMD have over pentium 4? Yup thats all it takes to take over Intel. if it is just 10% better, people will still opt for Intel

Funny you would say that, for me it's the other way around. I can't stand Intel anymore, but reality forced me to opt for a I5 2500K in 2011-2012.

So the day that AMD is even 5% slower I will be the first to buy a AMD processor and suggest AMD to my personal network.

For now we need to stay realistic and admit that starting from midrange (I5 and up) Intel is sadly or only option.
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Agreed. I don't think Nvidia can ever top ATI's efficiency after the Fermi disaster either.
False. AMD is in the exact same boat as Intel circa 10 years ago.
  • High-power architecture is inherently awful? Check.
  • Still trying to squeeze as much out of it for the time being? Check.
  • Actively developing a separate low-power architecture? Check.
  • Using that low-power architecture as a basis for the new, not-terrible high-power architecture? Check.
  • Using a design more similar to the previous good high-power architecture? Check.

Identical situations. Intel realized the P4 sucked, they went back to a P3-derived design, and much of it was based on the low-power P6M. AMD realized Bulldozer sucked, is going back to a K10-derived (IIRC) design, and much of it will be based on Jaguar/Puma. The only difference is that AMD is at TSMC's and/or GloFo's mercy when it comes to fabs.
Probably not true. AMD's new design is actually pretty smart. Cores are arranged in quad-core modules. This shouldn't be confused with a Bulldozer-style CMT module though - they're fully independent cores - since it's more like prebuilt "blocks" that can easily make large chips. I guess it's a bit like a shader engine in a GPU? I dunno how to describe it, since I'm not aware of any current processor using a similar design. Well, there's the PS4's and Xbone's APUs with two quad-core blocks of Jaguar cores. It's likely less efficient than Intel's ringbuses for their massive Xeons, but it's surely cheaper to design.

although Intel had 20x the resources then and 20x the resources now. hardly equivalent. AMD really needs to get fusion off the ground, they cant just rely on the cat cores for a conreo like comeback.
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