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post #51 of 84
It's true that the 6+ is no weaker than many similar phones, but bendgate was also real.
The confusion stems from the fact that it was only a problem with hipsters keeping the phone in their back pocket, and since hipsters hate Android that particular phenomenon had never been observed before.
post #52 of 84
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How much is a Lightning cable?
How much is a USB cable?

£6.99.

The lightning cable is a USB cable.

A micro USB cable that isn't terrible quality is £4.99.
   
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post #53 of 84
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3.5mm is only three wires... a shared ground and two positives. How could they make that proprietary without ruining compatibility with every headphone ever made? Unless they have plans for some expensive servo-type wiring with special servo headphones to match, I can't see it happening. Or unless they plan on actually running separate grounds for each channel with headphones to match... that would be the only reason I'd be for something proprietary is if it increases sound quality.

If you read the article is says the new wiring is ground on the tip, whereas all standards before had a left channel on the tip and ground was sleeve. Their new standard will require special adapters to go to any other format and headphones and even more confusing when you have to use one adapter for one type of 4 pin 3.5mm plug into another format of 4 pin (CTIA vs OMTP)


oh and yes there are two main standards of 4 pin 3.5mm and 2.5mm plugs for balanced headphones with their own "ground" per channel (really, the negative side of each circuit in a proper differential balanced amp setup). Hifiman's setup and Astell & Kern's setup, two competing solutions for balanced 4 pin audio on a 2.5mm and 3.5mm miniplug. On the one, you have left+, right+, then left- and right-. On the other solution you have left+ and left-, then right+ and right-. Personally, I think Hifiman's solution is better with left and then right on the tip and ring, because it allows for the cable to be plugged into an unbalanced source and still function by shorting the negative sides to ground return so it still works ok. In A&K's solution you can only plug the cable into a balanced port and plugging it in to an unbalanced will cause the headphones to not function and could damage things as well.

Though that balanced 4 pin setup wont be seen in Apple devices as they use 4 pins to run a mic on one of them like usual. Hence why I mentioned OMTP vs CTIA because that deals with the two standards that run stereo audio and a mic together. But even worse now the new jack doesn't conform to Apple's usual OMTP standard because now they are creating a new 4 pin wiring "standard" of their own once again so we will have 3 standards now for stereo audio+mic+ground.
Edited by EniGma1987 - 9/26/15 at 3:19pm
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post #54 of 84
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If i see people dropping a phone and not breaking or scratching i am not going to buy a case for it.

That's great, but entirely different from bendgate where people claimed it bent in their jeans while they were sitting down. (Not saying it is not possible)

I know many people who have simple skins on their phones, no bending issue and they use their phones like they normally do.

It's always great to have more durable devices, but the way bendgate started made it seem like everyone will have the issue at some point.
post #55 of 84
Just when you thought they couldn't make anything else proprietary, they want their own microphone socket.

Then it will probably break compatibility with any headphones with a permanently attached wire and then still you would have to find an audio cable Certified by Apple that will probably cost more because screw you. If Apple wanted to go full circle they can just only allow their garbage sounding earpods and Beats to work on their phones, and that will keep me from buying any of their handsets.
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so this patent was filed more than 4 years ago. wonder why we haven't seen it yet
This. Tech companies do this stuff all the time. They pay people just to come up with stupid ideas to patent, so they can take hold of the market through patent infringement lawsuits in case something similar gets "invented" in the future. Apple, Microsoft and Google hold tons of useless patents. This connector will likely never be realized.
Edited by Quail - 9/26/15 at 3:42pm
post #57 of 84
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If you read the article is says the new wiring is ground on the tip, whereas all standards before had a left channel on the tip and ground was sleeve. Their new standard will require special adapters to go to any other format and headphones and even more confusing when you have to use one adapter for one type of 4 pin 3.5mm plug into another format of 4 pin (CTIA vs OMTP)

So it's just another big screw job by Apple. Wow. Hey Apple, my wallet is proprietary and only works with Android. Everybody else should get proprietary wallets too.

Seriously, there is no point to this other than money. Screw you Apple. I made my decision to boycott you a long time ago, and you just keep on reinforcing my decision. Good job Apple, keep it up thumb.gif
    
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Microsoft has had a patent for mind reading hardware that IIRC has been proven to work since at least 2007. Yet they haven't released or even announced that they are going to make it.

Companies patent things they don't use all the time.
   
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This. Tech companies do this stuff all the time. They pay people just to come up with stupid ideas to patent, so they can take hold of the market through patent infringement lawsuits in case something similar gets "invented" in the future. Apple, Microsoft and Google hold tons of useless patents. This connector will likely never be realized.
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Microsoft has had a patent for mind reading hardware that IIRC has been proven to work since at least 2007. Yet they haven't released or even announced that they are going to make it.

Companies patent things they don't use all the time.

Patents only serve the trolls and those who want to milk us for all we're worth. It's in effect legalised racketeering.
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Patents only serve the trolls and those who want to milk us for all we're worth. It's in effect legalised racketeering.
It's also incentive to create new technologies. Why should someone bother making something new if their competition will immediately reverse engineer and steal it? Yes some companies do abuse the patent system, but don't forget why it exists to begin with.
 
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