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I just bought a Crosshair for this very reason. So, now I see that a site that's been around since 1999 magically is no longer accurate when it says it has two in stock, just as soon as I get the board. who-let-rip-smiley.png

I feel you. I really hope that their inventory gets liquidated and made available to the market before everything is long long long obsolete, .

They have the EK full board block for the Gigabyte 990FXA UD7 just collecting dust. I look around for one of these from various sites. I would like a new one in acetal/nickel but at this point I would take any version.

Good luck finding a block for your board.
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I just paid for a crosshair V from a user on this site.

found this for those interested

https://modmymods.com/watercool-heatkiller-mb-set-asus-crosshair-v-lt.html
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I just paid for a crosshair V from a user on this site.

found this for those interested

https://modmymods.com/watercool-heatkiller-mb-set-asus-crosshair-v-lt.html
Will that work with the Z model?
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I just paid for a crosshair V from a user on this site.

found this for those interested

https://modmymods.com/watercool-heatkiller-mb-set-asus-crosshair-v-lt.html
Will that work with the Z model?

to my knowledge that is indeed a crosshair v formula z in the picture they show with the waterblocks
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I just paid for a crosshair V from a user on this site.

found this for those interested

https://modmymods.com/watercool-heatkiller-mb-set-asus-crosshair-v-lt.html
Will that work with the Z model?

to my knowledge that is indeed a crosshair v formula z in the picture they show with the waterblocks

No, that's the Crosshair V Formula (non Z) in the picture. You can clearly see it does not have the aluminum RF shield on the SupremeFX III chip, it does not have the "Red Line Audio" LEDs, and it has the older 24bit PCI expansion slot as opposed to the x1 PCI-E lane of the Formula Z.

That being said, that sink /should/ work fine on the Formula Z. I've had them both, and as far as I can tell the only difference is the expansion slot, a new audio chip, and an updated power control suite. Externally both of their heatsinks look identical, and their screw holes are identical. I know for a fact the chipset heatsinks are identical as I lost my Formula-Zs chipset sink and had to salvage my older Formula (nonZ)s chipsink when I RMAed it after it stopped POSTing. So yeah, it should work fine.

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I just bought a Crosshair for this very reason. So, now I see that a site that's been around since 1999 magically is no longer accurate when it says it has two in stock, just as soon as I get the board.

I am really thinking about quitting the enthusiast PC thing. I just lost a processor that I had painstakingly lapped to a faulty cooler + liquid pro (fusing) and now this.

What's next, a video card that doesn't just have the wrong ROP count, cache amount, and which has VRAM that operates at 28 GB/s... but one that disappears when you try to use it?

I was bitten by the IBM Deathstar. I was bitten by three expensive (at the time) OCZ Vertex 2 240 GB ssds. I was bitten by the Macbook Pro that had the faulty Nvidia solder which was never corrected. I was bitten by the white Core Duo iMacs that all develop screen defects (vertical lines). I seem to have a mystical knack of getting products that end up being a massive disappointment.

The entire reason I spent more money on a new board and chip (and the water loop) was so I could put the thing on water and not have to deal with noisy VRM fans. who-let-rip-smiley.png

What I take away from your post is that you're an extremely early adopter. This is to be expected when dealing with cutting edge technology.
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What I take away from your post is that you're an extremely early adopter. This is to be expected when dealing with cutting edge technology.
Nope.

The Deathstar drives were from a reputable company (IBM), hardy some random start-up.

The Vertex 2 drives were heavily hyped by anandtech and were supposed to be very reliable because they had the lowest write amplification in the industry. The problem with those, apparently, was that the controller's firmware was designed to work with 32-bit NAND — which is what was in the drives review sites got and torture tested and used in machines "without problems." OCZ started substituting 64-bit NAND to cut costs, without telling anyone or changing the listed specs. Rumor also has it that the quality of the NAND used went from being Intel and other top-rate NAND to low-grade OCZ-branded NAND during that same bait and switch.

The Crosshair is an old board.

The Macbook Pro has nothing to do with early adoption and neither does the iMac. The problems with the faulty solder began appearing later. It took time for the hot-cold cycles to cause it to malfunction. The iMac screen problem also took a long time to manifest.

None of my examples apply to early adoption.
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Nope.

The Deathstar drives were from a reputable company (IBM), hardy some random start-up.

The Vertex 2 drives were heavily hyped by anandtech and were supposed to be very reliable because they had the lowest write amplification in the industry. The problem with those, apparently, was that the controller's firmware was designed to work with 32-bit NAND — which is what was in the drives review sites got and torture tested and used in machines "without problems." OCZ started substituting 64-bit NAND to cut costs, without telling anyone or changing the listed specs. Rumor also has it that the quality of the NAND used went from being Intel and other top-rate NAND to low-grade OCZ-branded NAND during that same bait and switch.

The Crosshair is an old board.

The Macbook Pro has nothing to do with early adoption and neither does the iMac. The problems with the faulty solder began appearing later. It took time for the hot-cold cycles to cause it to malfunction. The iMac screen problem also took a long time to manifest.

None of my examples apply to early adoption.

I'm not going to go into specifics about your examples other than to say that there are, in fact, examples of early adoption. Your SSD at the time, was still HIGHLY new in the consumer technology world. A second generation consumer level SSD, to be precise. That's early adoption.

The IBM deskstar was a big deal because it was huge and fast for it's time. While hard drives weren't new technology, that particular model was hyped for being unusually fast while having high data storage at a reasonable price.

It's all perspective, I suppose. I don't mean to offend, I was simply making an observation.

EDIT: I should clarify that in the SSD example, you would have been aware of the situation if you didn't jump on the SSD buy right away and waited for the technology to come into it's own the way it is, for example, by today's standards.

The deathstar scenario started showing up about a year after the drives were on the market. Anyone who stuck with tried and true hardware would have seen these results and would be glad they didn't adopt the new hard drive so quickly.

This is more precisely the point I was trying to convey. Clients want tried and true stable technology, so that's why they are still just now finally phasing out windows xp and moving to windows 7. We already have Win8 and Win10. They stay with what they know is reliable because they know it will have minimal downtime, and if time=money, then they want to maximize profits. But I digress...
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The pontification is off-topic and I still don't agree with you.
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Will that work with the Z model?

It will work but you will need to file down the plate where the logo is in order to make space for a capacitor to fit. IIRC and it may have just been my board or something but I did use a small ziptie on the top end of the board. I think there is a plate might be a heatsink, on the back of the top VRM stock sinks, that I did use the ziptie to keep in place. I also remember looking at the EK solutions on PPCs site, and thinking they would have been better to use due to them being two separate blocks, which would have removed the need for the zip tie. The filing for that location was not difficult in the slightest to make it fit around the capacitor. If it is your only option. Could probably measure the two areas and just use the Watercool generic VRM blocks tho.


Here's a picture of what I'm talking about for the capacitor.
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