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Hi all,

I've been lurking on this amazing forum for what feels like a decade, and have no idea why I waited so long to join, but here I am. Thank you for all your great advice over the years. I need a little bit of direct advice this time as I have not followed chipset/CPU developments in the last few years but need a quick build to set up a dual-monitor workstation primarily for stock trading, but also for Steam games, and most likely running some flavor of Linux.

Here's the thing: I overbought DDR3 RAM when it was cheap and have 32GB of the stuff in my main gaming rig at home, which is way overkill. My main rig is running a reliable gently overclocked Intel i5-2500K in an Asus P8Z68-V Gen3 motherboard with an EVGA GTX 970, pushing pixels to a 1440p Korean 27" monitor (Achieva Shimian). I haven't met a game this rig can't handle fairly well so far.

Anyway, I have another box with an old AMD Phenom setup that has served its time and needs to get replaced, and this box will serve as my trading platform and possibly occasional gaming platform. It has a beefy PSU and SSD in place. Most important is this:

1) Price/Performance ratio -- I'm a frugal, frugal bastard. I don't mind paying for performance but I rarely pay for max performance, I prefer getting bang for my buck.
2) Chipset needs to support and run well on DDR3 RAM, which I have a ton of. 16GB of it will go into this one.
3) Linux compatibility -- I need this box to be secure and fairly reliable, so I plan to run Linux Mint / Ubuntu or some derivative.
4) Java Performance -- The trading software runs on Java, which I think is fairly compute-heavy, so I'm not afraid to pay for a solid Intel part.
5) Dual monitor support -- It's got to work with two monitors. I had been thinking of dual 1440p 27" Korean IPS because I'm spoiled by how awesome they are, but I may have to scale it back given:
6) Video Card -- Existing GPU is a Sapphire Radeon HD 7950 3GB DDR5 -- I need to know if you guys think this will handle two monitors (I think so but maybe not 1440p?)

I will probably not overclock this one.

Knowing myself, I will definitely fire up Dota 2 from time to time, but it won't be a primary gaming system, that's what the home box is for.

Advice much appreciated...thanks!
post #2 of 11
No single video card can run every game out there maxed at 1440P and at 60 FPS.
You are pretty much forced to have two video cards if you want max eye candy and 60 FPS at 1440P.

And could you please fill out your system under your sig or post it here that way we wont have to ask a ton of questions.

Welcome to OCN by the way.
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Originally Posted by BootLoops View Post

Hi all,

I've been lurking on this amazing forum for what feels like a decade, and have no idea why I waited so long to join, but here I am. Thank you for all your great advice over the years. I need a little bit of direct advice this time as I have not followed chipset/CPU developments in the last few years but need a quick build to set up a dual-monitor workstation primarily for stock trading, but also for Steam games, and most likely running some flavor of Linux.

Here's the thing: I overbought DDR3 RAM when it was cheap and have 32GB of the stuff in my main gaming rig at home, which is way overkill. My main rig is running a reliable gently overclocked Intel i5-2500K in an Asus P8Z68-V Gen3 motherboard with an EVGA GTX 970, pushing pixels to a 1440p Korean 27" monitor (Achieva Shimian). I haven't met a game this rig can't handle fairly well so far.

Anyway, I have another box with an old AMD Phenom setup that has served its time and needs to get replaced, and this box will serve as my trading platform and possibly occasional gaming platform. It has a beefy PSU and SSD in place. Most important is this:

1) Price/Performance ratio -- I'm a frugal, frugal bastard. I don't mind paying for performance but I rarely pay for max performance, I prefer getting bang for my buck.
2) Chipset needs to support and run well on DDR3 RAM, which I have a ton of. 16GB of it will go into this one.
3) Linux compatibility -- I need this box to be secure and fairly reliable, so I plan to run Linux Mint / Ubuntu or some derivative.
4) Java Performance -- The trading software runs on Java, which I think is fairly compute-heavy, so I'm not afraid to pay for a solid Intel part.
5) Dual monitor support -- It's got to work with two monitors. I had been thinking of dual 1440p 27" Korean IPS because I'm spoiled by how awesome they are, but I may have to scale it back given:
6) Video Card -- Existing GPU is a Sapphire Radeon HD 7950 3GB DDR5 -- I need to know if you guys think this will handle two monitors (I think so but maybe not 1440p?)

I will probably not overclock this one.

Knowing myself, I will definitely fire up Dota 2 from time to time, but it won't be a primary gaming system, that's what the home box is for.

Advice much appreciated...thanks!

You will find that you will get the best results, or answers for that matter from the community with a stated budget. Without knowing how much you want to spend, it is improbable to come up with the proper build within your terms. In regards to your GPU question. The HD7950 is relatively old, and will struggle with newer games on two monitors at 1440p. It will certainly drive 2 monitors at that resolution, however it will depend on your detail settings, what game your playing in respect to the level of gameplay you will experience.
post #4 of 11
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Thanks, guys. Two boxes now in my sig as requested. The box being upgraded is TheBigShort.

I'm not concerned with gaming performance for the dual monitor rig. I basically just need a reliable, good value CPU/Mobo recommendation that uses DDR3 RAM, has hopefully few reported motherboard driver/BIOS issues, and can crunch some serious math in realtime, preferably running Linux Mint or Ubuntu.

I'd like to stay under $500 for the CPU/Mobo combo, but I could stretch to $1,000 if it was worth it.

Again, I like price/performance ratio above all else. I'm wierd like that.

I sometimes use this Passmark Price/Performance ratio chart to shop for parts, but it's hard because I basically only want to compare current or last-generation parts.

Thanks, ideas welcome!
Edited by BootLoops - 9/26/15 at 12:43pm
post #5 of 11
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Well, nobody answered my question, but just to close the loop, I went with the following with a great deal at my local MicroCenter:

Intel Core i7 4790K - $279
Asus Z97-A USB 3.1 - $134

They happen to be the top selling motherboard and processor on Amazon right now, too. Go figure, guess I could have saved myself like 20 hours of research. At least I'm up to date on Haswell refresh and Skylake chipset and processor capabilities now, as well as AMD.

I *almost* nabbed an 8-core AMD but that TDP just doesn't sit well with me.

So these parts will go straight into TheBigShort and hopefully I'll be set. AMD Phenom was a great part. RIP.
post #6 of 11
That will certainly do well for your machine. Short of going with and X79 build, the 4790k is the best you can get with a DDR3 setup. I heard there might be some Skylake boards that support DDR3, but haven't really been looking around to know for sure.

Either way, enjoy your new system!
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Originally Posted by BootLoops View Post

Well, nobody answered my question, but just to close the loop, I went with the following with a great deal at my local MicroCenter:

Intel Core i7 4790K - $279
Asus Z97-A USB 3.1 - $134

They happen to be the top selling motherboard and processor on Amazon right now, too. Go figure, guess I could have saved myself like 20 hours of research. At least I'm up to date on Haswell refresh and Skylake chipset and processor capabilities now, as well as AMD.

I *almost* nabbed an 8-core AMD but that TDP just doesn't sit well with me.

So these parts will go straight into TheBigShort and hopefully I'll be set. AMD Phenom was a great part. RIP.

Eh, you should've gone for a 5775C or 5675C. It doesn't OC quite as well as a 4790k, but it's more efficient and is less sensitive to older/slow DDR3.
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post #8 of 11
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Eh, you should've gone for a 5775C or 5675C. It doesn't OC quite as well as a 4790k, but it's more efficient and is less sensitive to older/slow DDR3.

Really? That seems like a flat downgrade given that a significant portion of that processor is devoted to integrated graphics I would not use at all, and it's almost twice as expensive as the part I got. I also didn't think the G.Skill Ares DDR3 RAM I'm using would come close to bottlenecking performance at all, especially given my use case. Did I miss something?
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Originally Posted by BootLoops View Post

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Eh, you should've gone for a 5775C or 5675C. It doesn't OC quite as well as a 4790k, but it's more efficient and is less sensitive to older/slow DDR3.

Really? That seems like a flat downgrade given that a significant portion of that processor is devoted to integrated graphics I would not use at all, and it's almost twice as expensive as the part I got. I also didn't think the G.Skill Ares DDR3 RAM I'm using would come close to bottlenecking performance at all, especially given my use case. Did I miss something?

Ya, the price is the big sticking point. I haven't checked in awhile, so I figured it would've come down by now... Guess I'm wrong :/.

The oversized IGP doesn't matter (assuming you don't use it for any decoding), but the 128MB of L4 cache the whole CPU can use does. I'm not sure about your stock trading apps, but it really speeds up some very specific workloads.




EDIT: Note that TR isn't using particularly fast DDR3/DDR4 in that review, which is why the gap is closer on some other sites.


It doesn't really matter now though, as its really close to a 4790k anyway.
Edited by brucethemoose - 9/27/15 at 8:53pm
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post #10 of 11
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Originally Posted by Mattb2e View Post

That will certainly do well for your machine. Short of going with and X79 build, the 4790k is the best you can get with a DDR3 setup. I heard there might be some Skylake boards that support DDR3, but haven't really been looking around to know for sure.

Either way, enjoy your new system!

Thanks, Matt.

It looks like you are right about some Skylake DDR3 support, which I had not even considered before:

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/asrock-combo-100-series-motherboards,29996.html

It's tempting to try that out, but given that the performance gap is relatively minor over a 4790K, and that reliability/proven track record of Haswell refresh parts seems to fit my use case a bit better, I guess I ended up where I want to be.

Thanks again.
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