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Originally Posted by malventano View Post

The driver is no different than what a GPU driver does for a video card, except NVMe storage drivers generally stay the same from launch. I've seen no real 'quirks' to them. They are just more optimized for that particular SSD than the default Microsoft driver, and therefore enable higher speeds.
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Meanwhile on the software side of matters, starting with Windows 8.1 and Windows 10, Windows has a built-in NVMe driver.... But basic is it; the default NVMe class driver is missing some features.... For that reason, and to accommodate users who can't update to a version of Windows that has an NVMe driver available from Microsoft, most vendors are providing a custom NVMe driver. Samsung provided a beta version of their driver, as well as a beta of their SSD Magician software that now supports the 950 Pro (but not their previous M.2 drives for OEMs). Almost all of the features of SSD Magician require Samsung's NVMe driver for use with the 950 Pro.

Finally, some of our benchmarking tools are affected by the switch to NVMe. Between most of our tests, we wipe the drive back to a clean state. For SATA drives and PCIe drives using AHCI, this is accomplished using the ATA security features. The NVMe command set has a format command that can be specified to perform a secure erase, producing the same result but requiring a different tool to issue the necessary commands. Likewise, our usual tools for recording drive performance during the AnandTech Storage Bench tests don't work with NVMe, so we're using a different tool to capture that data, but the same tools to process and analyze it.
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http://www.anandtech.com/show/9702/samsung-950-pro-ssd-review-256gb-512gb/2

Just interpreting what others have written.
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In RAID, the 950 Pros appear as an Intel software array. Samsung's driver does not recognize them, preventing you from installing it. The same thing happens to Intel's SSD 750s in RAID. Until Samsung adjusts its software to support RAID arrays, you'll have to use Microsoft's NVMe driver built into Windows 10, 8.x and available as a download for Windows 7. Per-drive performance drops, unfortunately, which will become obvious in certain workloads when we compare a single 950 Pro to two in RAID 0. Microsoft's implementation is more conservative, serving as a catch-all to support all revisions of NVMe. It's good enough to get your system up and running, basically.
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Our results favor the 950 Pros in single-drive configurations because they utilize Samsung's NVMe driver. Once we finished our standard tests, we tried to force the array to use the same software, but were unsuccessful.
Tom's Hardware
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/samsung-950-pro-ssd,4313-2.html

But I certainly trust your judgment, Allyn(?).

Have you done any benchmarks with the 950 Pro in RAID 0?
post #52 of 71
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wait for NVMe to get more common, budget ones should pop up sooner or later.
the chances of M.2 RAID cards popping up as well is high, this simply means you can build cost effective high-speed RAID array for your own use.

If someone need/want high capacity and high bandwidth 4-5GB/s relatively cheap, then raidcontroller + satassd's is the way to go.

Areca 1883 + 8x 512GB samsung 850pro, or maybe 1 or 2TB ssd? biggrin.gif 5GB/s read and 4+TB ssd storage thumb.gif
post #53 of 71
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But I certainly trust your judgment, Allyn(?).

Have you done any benchmarks with the 950 Pro in RAID 0?

A RAID of NVMe SSDs works differently than any other type of storage device, as the RAID controller has to implement a driver at its own level. These are different than simple SATA devices. I haven't done RAID testing on our 950 PROs yet, but that is coming in a future piece. It's understood that they will behave differently in RAID as NVMe devices would have to fall back to a generic / Intel NVMe driver for that case. AT's new editor is incorrect - the driver must be / is included in the RAID solution (Intel's Z170 RST driver and RSTe driver both specifically include the Intel NVMe driver).

I'm certainly no stranger to NVMe RAID testing though:
5x SSD 750's
Z170 testing
RSTe testing (upcoming)

Side note: I *hate* the idea of secure erasing between consumer workload tests. It's not something any user does in their normal use. If TRIM can't bring the drive / firmware back to a clean state, then that SSD deserves to perform more poorly on some of the later tests. Repartitioning (full span TRIM) 950 PROs snaps them back to the new state just fine, so the inability to secure erase argument made in one of those articles doesn't really hold water either. It's just a driver optimization issue at present.
Edited by malventano - 10/23/15 at 2:03pm
post #54 of 71
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It's the same PCIe x4 link either way.

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Daniel:

I don't think I've seen anyone specifically indicate that using the M2 vs. the PCIE slot provides more speed, aside from *if* thermal throttling happens (which malventano correctly points out is pretty unlikely) or if it's a motherboard issue related to latency depending on whether processor or chipset lanes are being allocated to the given interface, whether there's an extra layer of PCIE switching involved, etc.

Most of the motherboards I've been looking at to spec out my upcoming system (X99) indicate this slot or the other gets disabled with the M2 slot in use, so that kind of implies they use the same lanes and would work the same if you put something in either socket.
so you guys are planning on PCI-e or just the m.2 slot ?
btw Samsung 950 pro in most reviews are Faster than intel 750 ? at least in real world usage ? in any way the intel 750 is better then samsung 950 pro ?
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so you guys are planning on PCI-e or just the m.2 slot ?
btw Samsung 950 pro in most reviews are Faster than intel 750 ? at least in real world usage ? in any way the intel 750 is better then samsung 950 pro ?

The 750 is based on an enterprise part that can handle very high QD, and it needs that same high QD to really stretch its legs. For consumer workloads the 950 PRO is a hair faster, but they are both reasonably close and traded blows in our testing.
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The 750 is based on an enterprise part that can handle very high QD, and it needs that same high QD to really stretch its legs. For consumer workloads the 950 PRO is a hair faster, but they are both reasonably close and traded blows in our testing.
i see for a normal consumer. i play games and browse the internet. you would suggest me to go with 950 pro over the intel 750 ?
and shoild i buy http://www.amazon.com/NGFF-PCIe-Adapter-Samsung-XP941/dp/B00RTSFLBY , pci-e better in terms of cooling and making it protected from the rest of the stuff on my motherboard ? it has heatsinks which could help in lowering temp at high loads and technically be alittle faster for that reason ?
post #57 of 71
Just get the Samsung 950 Pro. M.2 will be more widely spread as time goes on, and it's possible you may be able to re-use the 950 Pro in a laptop when you upgrade it to a better drive in the future.
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Ghab is correct, though if you are really not hard on your storage at all. Save yourself some money and get a higher capacity in an 850 EVO - likely to hit very low prices during upcoming sales.
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Just get the Samsung 950 Pro. M.2 will be more widely spread as time goes on, and it's possible you may be able to re-use the 950 Pro in a laptop when you upgrade it to a better drive in the future.
it only comes in m.2 smile.gif just thinking if i should add the hyper kit for Pci-e lanes. but it is going to be the same speed. at most i could maybe just reduce the temp a little with a good hyper kit. example https://www.google.com/search?q=asus+hyper+kit+for+samsung+950pro&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0CAkQ_AUoA2oVChMI0eGku97byAIVFAmOCh1Y2AQ8&biw=1920&bih=955#imgrc=8H2QnccWP92ZKM%3A
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Ghab is correct, though if you are really not hard on your storage at all. Save yourself some money and get a higher capacity in an 850 EVO - likely to hit very low prices during upcoming sales.
yeah im using Evo 850 at the moment. so far all the reviews kinda favor the 950 over intel 750. except heavy workloads smile.gif
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Lol, I know it only comes in M.2! I'm saying that M.2 interface will be have a wider spread use as time goes on, so it is wise to just buy a 950 pro as opposed to Intel 750 (since the 950 pro ONLY comes in M.2 as you said, and the Intel 750 DOESN'T come in M.2). This way later on you can repurpose it for a mITX/laptop build when you decide to upgrade.
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