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I been saying this to people for years, and we were finally given concrete examples of AMD's true pricing intentions.

People forget it was AMD who introduced $1000 CPU's to us, with the Athlon FX series.

AMD was forced to take the Price/Performance route in order to compete, not because they care about their customers. They sure play the underdog story well though.

Wow I remember buying one of these for I believe $1200 back in the day on ebay cause it was a binned CCB1E stepping. Good lord never making that mistake again. All tho my brother still uses it for a backup pc. So I guess over a decade of use it kinda wasn't a bad investment? doh.gif
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AMD was the first to breach the $500 for the highest end card. The price from 6970 to 7970 was crazy

Yeah, that's not correct. The 7950 gx2 came out around mid 2006 and was priced around $600. The 8800gtx came out a few months later and was also released at $600. To be honest though, I don't know if Nvidia or ATI priced their flagship cards even higher than that prior to 2006 since I wasn't into PC gaming before then.
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Wow I remember buying one of these for I believe $1200 back in the day on ebay cause it was a binned CCB1E stepping. Good lord never making that mistake again. All tho my brother still uses it for a backup pc. So I guess over a decade of use it kinda wasn't a bad investment? doh.gif

I still have a 3800+ that gets used every once in a while. I only paid like $200 - $300 for it or something, can't remember.

The main differences back then were clock speeds, and some had extra cache.
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Yeah, that's not correct. The 7950 gx2 came out around mid 2006 and was priced around $600. The 8800gtx came out a few months later and was also released at $600. To be honest though, I don't know if Nvidia or ATI priced their flagship cards even higher than that prior to 2006 since I wasn't into PC gaming before then.

I think he meant that AMD went from a $350 6970 on 40nm, to a $550 7970 on 28nm ( 57% price increase ). They justified it by pricing against the 580 which was still the 40nm flagship.

Also, some people forget or don't realize that the 6970 was initially aimed to be priced close to $500, but the 580 put an end to that dream.

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Yeah, that's not correct. The 7950 gx2 came out around mid 2006 and was priced around $600. The 8800gtx came out a few months later and was also released at $600. To be honest though, I don't know if Nvidia or ATI priced their flagship cards even higher than that prior to 2006 since I wasn't into PC gaming before then.

They didn't, back in 2006, when AMD was the leader and nVidia was the "underdog", it was AMD who was trying to gouge the market with high prices. They have a long history of it, and they still do. From $1000 CPU's to $1500 dual GPU cards, AMD pretty much always has introduced a card at obscene prices, then dropped them when people wouldn't buy them.

Somehow, when nVidia started to gain marketshare (or because the people are so young and don't remember 9-10 years ago), the prices sort of stabilized, except for all but the most bleeding edge technology.

I'm an old fart, I started in computers back in the 1970s, and I remember these things. I used to be in the ATI camp BIG TIME, but got sick of the negative PR, high prices, and other issues when AMD bought them. But make no mistake, as others have said, AMD isn't "the good guy", they are greedy and did everything that they accuse nVidia of doing now, back when they were on top ... and given half a chance again, they would most likely do it all over.

Also, $600 in 2006 is $705 today.

So when people talk negatively about a $1500 dual GPU card, all I need to remind people is that AMD did that first with the R9 295X2. So even if the price remains the same, odds are that a $1500 nVidia card will still be faster than the 295X2, so it is a better value.
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I still have a 3800+ that gets used every once in a while. I only paid like $200 - $300 for it or something, can't remember.

The main differences back then were clock speeds, and some had extra cache.
I think he meant that AMD went from a $350 6970 on 40nm, to a $550 7970 on 28nm ( 57% price increase ). They justified it by pricing against the 580 which was still the 40nm flagship.

Also, some people forget or don't realize that the 6970 was initially aimed to be priced close to $500, but the 580 put an end to that dream.

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You clearly don't remember anything. HD 6970 was $369. HD 6970 was a filler because 32nm TSMC was canceled. GTX580 was nothing special because all it was was GTX480 with higher clocks and 32 more SPs.

HD 7970 was priced correctly @ $550. Was faster then the more expensive GTX580. Its was a new strategy from AMD. Their days of making their single GPU on a small die and then building a Dual GPU where over because processor node technology slowed down dramatically. Looks at 28nm. Its 4 years old. AMD and Nvidia can try to make a flagship for $400 but they simply can't.

HD 7970 and HD 6970 where not in the same class. It's like putting GTX980 and GTX980 Ti in same class.
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Yeah, that's not correct. The 7950 gx2 came out around mid 2006 and was priced around $600. The 8800gtx came out a few months later and was also released at $600. To be honest though, I don't know if Nvidia or ATI priced their flagship cards even higher than that prior to 2006 since I wasn't into PC gaming before then.

They didn't, back in 2006, when AMD was the leader and nVidia was the "underdog", it was AMD who was trying to gouge the market with high prices. They have a long history of it, and they still do. From $1000 CPU's to $1500 dual GPU cards, AMD pretty much always has introduced a card at obscene prices, then dropped them when people wouldn't buy them.

Somehow, when nVidia started to gain marketshare (or because the people are so young and don't remember 9-10 years ago), the prices sort of stabilized, except for all but the most bleeding edge technology.

I'm an old fart, I started in computers back in the 1970s, and I remember these things. I used to be in the ATI camp BIG TIME, but got sick of the negative PR, high prices, and other issues when AMD bought them. But make no mistake, as others have said, AMD isn't "the good guy", they are greedy and did everything that they accuse nVidia of doing now, back when they were on top ... and given half a chance again, they would most likely do it all over.

Also, $600 in 2006 is $705 today.

So when people talk negatively about a $1500 dual GPU card, all I need to remind people is that AMD did that first with the R9 295X2. So even if the price remains the same, odds are that a $1500 nVidia card will still be faster than the 295X2, so it is a better value.

You do love to ignore that $3000 Titan Z, don't ya?
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I think he meant that AMD went from a $350 6970 on 40nm, to a $550 7970 on 28nm ( 57% price increase ). They justified it by pricing against the 580 which was still the 40nm flagship.

Also, some people forget or don't realize that the 6970 was initially aimed to be priced close to $500, but the 580 put an end to that dream.

I even have the updated Amazon listings, when AMD adjusted prices.

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No matter how you slice it, the 7970 was the 6970's replacement. That replacement came with a 57% price increase, but hey, AMD always sells for less. rolleyes.gif

Remember the 5870 was what, $400 when it launched? 6970 came in close to that price as well, but my whole point was, starting from the 6970 AMD was WANTING to charge more, but they couldn't, since the 580 showed up. I showed you the Amazon original listings, which are my own personal screen shots.
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You do love to ignore that $3000 Titan Z, don't ya?

That and the $4500 AMD W9000 card. biggrin.gif
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You do love to ignore that $3000 Titan Z, don't ya?

I guarantee you can't find one person on this forum who thinks Titan Z's price was justifiable. Let alone try finding anyone who bought one.

We're all in agreement that is one of the worst priced cards of all time. We don't talk about it, because for all intents and purposes that card is non-existent. wink.gif
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