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I guarantee you can't find one person on this forum who thinks Titan Z's price was justifiable. Let alone try finding anyone who bought one.

We're all in agreement that is one of the worst priced cards of all time. We don't talk about it, because for all intents and purposes that card is non-existent. wink.gif

First off: http://www.overclock.net/t/1484155/nvidia-geforce-gtx-titan-z-owners-club/0_20

http://www.overclock.net/t/1542879/build-log-watercooled-2x-titan-z-octanerender-workstation-2/0_20

http://www.overclock.net/t/1547121/build-log-corsair-d900-titan-z/0_20

http://www.overclock.net/t/1529883/sponsored-monochrome/0_20

I just chose to stop there, there are plenty of build logs with Titan Zs in them. biggrin.gif
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Brand definitely had something to do with it. But 550 being out of touch and 500 being well priced is pretty close to what it sounds like.

The gtx 680, if it had come out first would have been $499, possibly cheaper if the 7970 didn't come out first at $550.

At that price, it would have been a straight forward 25% performance increase for the same money. Something more in line with previous chips, if a tad below what was expected for a die shrink.

Compare this to the 7970's 15 percent faster for 10% more money, and the difference in value is present compared to if the gtx 680 launched first. Add in AMD is the value brand it's no wonder most held off on 7970 purchases.

Even compared to it's contemporary the 7970, the gtx 680 being priced at 50 dollars cheaper with a 10 percent advantage in performance, was a substantially better deal than the 7970s value proposition. It was cheaper, faster, quieter and used less power on top of the value. That's a winning combo and it what made the reviews turn out so good. If the 7970 Launched at 450 dollars, it would have been a much more successful product.

After the gtx 680 launched, the 7970 basically had to be given away for it to sell well vs the gtx 680. This included it being 100 dollars cheaper(or 150 dollar price drop vs it's original MSRP) and with 2 or 3 free triple aaa game titles to boot. This was only a few months after the gtx 680 launch. It was AMD gambling a short term gain that cost it money in the long run.

What happened was AMD got cocky and paid the price and has been paying the price since. Nvidia got cocky with the gtx 280 launch and it was one of the worst generations for them. They were made fools and had to refund early adopters the difference in the immediate price drop after the 4870 launched. It hurt their marketshare and hurt the Nvidia brand substantially and is what opened up the success of the 5870. That card was well received by the public. It offered a more substantial improvement(30%) and had the same pricing as the gtx 285 or at most 50 dollars more.

It raised AMD's marketshare and alot of people didn't wait for Nvidia to launch their product. AMD until it launches a destroyer product can't raise the price of their cards in respect to Nvidia. If they do, people will simply wait until Nvidia launches and if it's comparable value, 70 percent of the market will choose Nvidia. That's the story of any underdog company and nothing against AMD.

Like I said, had they actually got the launch drivers up to snuff, the $550 price tag would've been more palatable, as we now know 3 years later what the 7970 (and its GE variant) is truly capable of. Not that it justifies anything, but since we're on the subject of price vs die size, I did mention Tahiti was 20% larger than GK104.
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Lol nice, pie on face, I assumed No one bought one. biggrin.gif

Were most of those bought after the price drops? Or did people actually pay $3K?
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Too be fair... James was given his 2 for Monochrome by Nvidia
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Too be fair... James was given his 2 for Monochrome by Nvidia

True, but I can easily find several more build logs to replace that one. biggrin.gif
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You do love to ignore that $3000 Titan Z, don't ya?

That and the $4500 AMD W9000 card. biggrin.gif

Awww, thats cute. You think the Titan Z is a legitimate workstation card.

Too bad it's a GeForce. rolleyes.gif

As for Pro cards...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814133586
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814132041

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You do love to ignore that $3000 Titan Z, don't ya?

I guarantee you can't find one person on this forum who thinks Titan Z's price was justifiable. Let alone try finding anyone who bought one.

We're all in agreement that is one of the worst priced cards of all time. We don't talk about it, because for all intents and purposes that card is non-existent. wink.gif

Well, I mean, if we're going to call the 295X2 which destroyed the $1000 Titan due to being a Dual "expensive" and accuse AMD of setting new price heights, then why shouldn't we consider it?

Also there was a guy with a Titan Z a few posts ago saying he'd buy this new card if it was $2000.
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Lol nice, pie on face, I assumed No one bought one. biggrin.gif

Were most of those bought after the price drops? Or did people actually pay $3K?

If we're going to consider the price drop, it still costs $1500 to this day while the 295X2 dropped under $800.
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Lol nice, pie on face, I assumed No one bought one. biggrin.gif

Were most of those bought after the price drops? Or did people actually pay $3K?

In the Titan Z Owners Club, there are a good amount of people who bought them at launch, and even got WC blocks for them. So we're talking even more than the original retail price. biggrin.gif
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@KyadCK At least at $1500 for a Titan Z made more sense, at 3k it was a ripoff. I agree with you, it can't be compared to other workstation cards. It lacks proper drivers, ECC memory, and 10 bit output. Plus most of the programs that it would be used with lack SLI support.
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I guarantee you can't find one person on this forum who thinks Titan Z's price was justifiable.

M and A (both 6 letters) tried to justify its price.
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Added more sources to OP, seems a decent amount believe it will be a fully unlocked Dual GM200 card, with a few others saying it could use the same chip as the 980 Ti.

Would it be likely to see NVIDIA release another fully unlocked big die dual GPU card after the Titan Z? Something tells me no, even at $2000 it still doesn't boast a price tag most people are willing to grasp. Whereas with two Dual 980 Ti cores and a $1300 price tag makes the card "much more" obtainable.
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