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Good. The majority of people work nine to five without complainning. And then go home and save the universe. Why? Why do they do it. What do they lack in their lives. What is the reason behind this. Why does it manifest in gaming and not in revolution or something like that? Is it simply I want to try something different or is it a need that needs to be fulfilled. Why do you need to be a hero?

I talked about this with my friend and he said he played Mass Effect because he wants to do good deeds. That suprised me. Just do good deeds in the reality. But he does not do that. If you want to change the world, change the world. People who can change the world work to change it. So people who play heroic games do not know how could they change the world. If they knew, they would do it. Or maybe not. It is a bit harder to do in reality. Or is it lack of importance and porpose of their work. Or both. And why it is so pronounced in the USA?

And then he asks why does he play horrors. What could that mean? I do not know.

The only persons who singlehandedly changed the history were murderes.
May I know how did you arive at that assumption? Because I am totaly baffled. I would love to know. I think I know the answer why people focus on the it is not realistic, but I want to hear your explanation.

You can't die multiple times and come back to life in real life, that's why I (and I suspect most people) don't go around starting revolutions. I haven't played much of Mass Effect, so I can't say what's the draw of that game. But I recently finished Dragon Age Inquisition, that was another Bioware game that the main character saves the world. The things that you do in the game is fantasy, not applicable to real life. So to experience that you can only do it in a game. Not everyone who changes history are murderer and not all murderers are bad. Newton changed history through science, there were assassination attempts on Hitler. If those assassins succeeded, they may have been able to end WWII earlier, saving many lives and shaping the world's history.
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Rofl....a thread on an overclock forum about the meaning of life...from the sounds of things the op did nothing but work and question everything...what is missing from your life that you must know why so many people enjoy doing things that simply aren't possible in real life? To more directly answer you...people play these games to act out fantasies they will never be able to do in any capacity in every day life...let's say you walk into a store being robbed and you foil the robbery no one gets hurt you are heralded as a hero right? But clearly you didn't save the world...and if you had been murdered trying to stop said robbery? So many people die every day because ordinary people refuse to get involved because they are afraid or they think someone else will help...games are a get away from the bs that happens in everyday life...

From the tone of your post I can only assume you live the most monotonous boring life ever conceived...what do you do in your leisure time? Why do you do this? How did what you do differ from what a gamer does in terms of fulfillment?
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You can't die multiple times and come back to life in real life, that's why I (and I suspect most people) don't go around starting revolutions. I haven't played much of Mass Effect, so I can't say what's the draw of that game. But I recently finished Dragon Age Inquisition, that was another Bioware game that the main character saves the world. The things that you do in the game is fantasy, not applicable to real life. So to experience that you can only do it in a game. Not everyone who changes history are murderer and not all murderers are bad. Newton changed history through science, there were assassination attempts on Hitler. If those assassins succeeded, they may have been able to end WWII earlier, saving many lives and shaping the world's history.

Why do you do things that are not applicable to real life? It has nothing to do with your life and yet you do it. Why people enjoy doing things that simply aren't possible in real life? What sence does that make?
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Man vs the world has got to be the oldest literary trope in history, and one of the most popular.
It's because it's human to adore heros.
Maybe it'd be good for you to see a psychologist.

My hero is polt. Quack.

Why is it human to adore heroes?
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Sounds like you should do some research into the Psychology field, since it sounds like that's the type of information you're actually after.

While on that topic, people tend to enjoy video games because of the instant gratification that they offer. If you do good deeds in real life, you may or may not actually get any sort of gratitude for your actions, whereas games always give you something - exp, weapons, armor, etc. You also have the ability to do good deeds with a larger scope of effect in games vs real life, and also see the results of those actions. Another reason people might play these games is to be able to do things that they wouldn't normally be able to do in real life.

I just came across a couple of articles that might help you understand why people play games. It's actually some good info: thumb.gif
http://www.thinkfeelplay.com/2010/09/why-we-play-part-1/
http://www.thinkfeelplay.com/2010/10/why-we-play-part-2-theory-of-gaming-motivation/

Yes, that is pretty much what I am talking about. I was asking : I play a hero that needs to save a galaxy. What am I escaping? What am I regulating. Why do I want to experience it? I expected answers like: I play it because I have a meanigless job, because I want to lead people and I am not unable to do that in a real life or I like to save people. Or what ever. But as always when I ask for opinions I get phrazes and when I ask for phrazes I get opinions. As always I get a lot of crap but only one person was able to actualy answer the question.

I cannot agree with the instant gratification. Heroin is instant. Alcohol is instant. Games require you to work for everything you get. If people want instant gratification, why do they want to overcome hard obstacles and play against other players? That is everything but instant gratification. I would play on the easiest difficulty. Yet I do not do it. Why? Smile at somebody. The person smiles back and you feel awesome. That is an instant gratification. Trying to grind a better weapon? It is quite the opposite.
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.what is missing from your life that you must know why so many people enjoy doing things that simply aren't possible in real life?

Knowledge.

I expected more.
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I really suggest you read the articles I linked you to, they're the result of a study that was done. If you really want to know why people play games, you should read it.
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I expected answers like: I play it because I have a meanigless job, because I want to lead people and I am not unable to do that in a real life



So you're just looking to hear what you want to hear: people who like these kinds of games are complete losers. What if this isn't true?

It seems like you think anyone who differs from your viewpoint must have psychological issues. Honestly, it's a pretty insane argument tongue.gif.
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for the people who are answering this thread...
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Joshua: A strange game. The only winning move is not to play
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Why do you do things that are not applicable to real life? It has nothing to do with your life and yet you do it. Why people enjoy doing things that simply aren't possible in real life? What sence does that make?
Why is it human to adore heroes?
Yes, that is pretty much what I am talking about. I was asking : I play a hero that needs to save a galaxy. What am I escaping? What am I regulating. Why do I want to experience it? I expected answers like: I play it because I have a meanigless job, because I want to lead people and I am not unable to do that in a real life or I like to save people. Or what ever. But as always when I ask for opinions I get phrazes and when I ask for phrazes I get opinions. As always I get a lot of crap but only one person was able to actualy answer the question.

I cannot agree with the instant gratification. Heroin is instant. Alcohol is instant. Games require you to work for everything you get. If people want instant gratification, why do they want to overcome hard obstacles and play against other players? That is everything but instant gratification. I would play on the easiest difficulty. Yet I do not do it. Why? Smile at somebody. The person smiles back and you feel awesome. That is an instant gratification. Trying to grind a better weapon? It is quite the opposite.
Knowledge.

I expected more.

Why do anything at all?

Might as well not drive, as we have two feet for a reason.
Might as well never do anything life threatening.
Etc.


Honestly your life must be pretty dull if you never had the dream of doing something that is not practical.

Hell, I want to go into space. I think that would be awesome. But Again, that is a pipe dream.

Really this entire idea is the same when it comes to most media, take Movies for example. We love Car Chases, Killing, Explosions, Hot Chicks, Etc.



Also people like to work for a goal, that is how most people live their life.





Really you could flip this around and ask, Why do people go to work all day? What is the Point, they are just going to die eventually. Might as well have fun 24/7. rolleyes.gif
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I would agree that its a tired trope, but we're the outliers there my friend.

First of all it's part of the Western tradition(probably so for other cultures as well but I'm less well versed on them.) Look at the old Pagan pantheons & mythos, the stories of the Christian saints, and modern day celebrities. The one common trend amongst all of them is that they personify an ideal. In every case they were human(accounting for actors acting out the parts of the Pagan gods during ceremonies) History dictated that the faults or 'humanity' of these people were not worth recording, stories become more pure & hyperbole set in. Here in lies the hero or Rambo figure. I see it either as the same effect of the 'rose tinted glasses' or by the fact we collectively feel a need for the perfect role model(someone we can never match up to so that we don't plateau.) The alternative thought would that we aren't interested in people's weakness but personally I rule that one out seeing that we usually focus on complaints/gossip in everyday life. A possible point drawing off that knowledge is that we wish to believe all the inspirational figures in our lives to be fully self-sufficient. The motivational factor is strongest when you follow the line "All that matters is your work/effort." Start adding in external factors that could ruin the hardest working man in the world and you overcomplicate matters.

Video gaming is a somewhat new form of story telling but the way of story telling is much the same as its been for all of written history. Where I think the trope is boring is that I think it takes away from the human element in games; I'm just not a fan of the classic fantasy story mostly as I find it ruins all suspense. I think of it like a mystery novel where the reader has been told who the bad guy is on page one; and you're reading simply to see how the detective figures it out. I'm not opposed to fiction; rather I think certain factors of life could make it more interesting.. the random factor being one of them. However you won't see it much in gaming for some time; as one example just look at games such as Resident Evil 5 & Kane & Lynch. The player is no longer the only protaganist.. and that means AI must step in. Where technology is now we don't have AIs that cooperate nicely with players, they just become frustrating and on the other hand no one wants a co-op only/always online game.

We simply don't have the technology where you could expect anyone but the player(or developer) to change the storyline or a game. And I do think this is what we're both searching for, in essence a smarter more 'lifelike' game.

Or we just scrap all I've written above and say that the world is corrupt so ways of 'saving the world' that only play out in fiction are promoted. tongue.gif Then we may as well discuss the trope of having to go through waves of henchmen before you can fight the boss. You could ask, why not just attack him directly? Another trope, another technological limitation(would make for very short games & very unhappy gamers.)
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I am late to this threat but it's obvious that OP is trying to understand his hate or love for (certain) things. We went from questioning gaming to basically questioning life. While it's a very interesting philosophical question I wonder whether OP is depressed and is trying to make sense of himself and his surroundings.

That is psychology, understanding oneself through understanding others.
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