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post #111 of 186
Here we go with this tinfoil argument.

Windows would be already banned in countries like Russia, China etc if they even found a trace of something. And believe me, they have VERY capable people finding stuff that WOULD be implanted by the NSA.

This topic is getting absurd already.

http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/sharedsource/

Have a read and once you find something that says gov, enterprise and OEMs DONT have full access, show me.
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This would prove very difficult since the source is completely open. As for Windows, it's propriety code that even Microsoft employees struggle to sift through, so keeping your malicious code a secret would be much easier.

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What are you on about? We're comparing the difficulty of implementing a backdoor to an OS, yeah?
If your code is propriety, it's massively harder to find malicious code. Even if the government had complete access to the entire source code (which MS would never allow), what would they look for? Meaning if an organisation like the NSA were to slip in code, there'd be very few people who'd be able to know.

If the source code is readable and completely open for the public to access, it would prove very difficult to slip code past reviewers, other savvy users and developers; what you see is what gets compiled.

While when you get your copy of Windows, you only get the binary release of the OS and all its applications, and you aren't able to view the whole thing. Even as a Windows developer, you only have source code access to specific parts of the OS.

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Here we go with this tinfoil argument.

Windows would be already banned in countries like Russia, China etc if they even found a trace of something. And believe me, they have VERY capable people finding stuff that WOULD be implanted by the NSA.

This topic is getting absurd already.

http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/sharedsource/

Have a read and once you find something that says gov, enterprise and OEMs DONT have full access, show me.

Read through it, and this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shared_source

Nowhere does it state that anyone has full access. It states that they (government and commercial) have limited access to evaluate the security of Windows and other MS products.

Nothing tinfoil about it and it's a common practise among many commercial software vendors. Also, a nation can't simply embargo a legitimate corporation just because they suspect spying. They instead opt to invest into open source solutions such as Linux, because they control and maintain the level of security (yes, the USA does this too).

Besides, the original topic was on your reply stating that you would suspect that the NSA would have implemented backdoors on many Linux distros. My counter argument was that this would be very unlikely as GNU/Linux code is completely open and that any attempt to tamper with the code would be picked up quickly by the public. While proprietary code (e.g. Windows) might be tampered with, but if it's not detected before the binary release, it's then distributed with the malicious code implemented and with very little chance of it being picked up by anyone outside the MS dev team.
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I feel like this is going to happen. After a year, when Win 10 is no longer free, Microsoft will add in the options to disable updates and sending data.
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So what they're saying is, people overreacted and tightened their tinfoil hats?

I mean, let's be honest, it wouldn't exactly be out of character for this particular community:P
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I don't care about what Windows sends to MS, I don't like this behavior on an OS, that's all. There should've been a real disable control or this could be exclusive for when you use an MS account as login. Or only to insiders that likes to beta test the updates.
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You CAN decide. NOT TO USE IT. How hard is that to understand for you people? No one is forcing you to use Windows. "Hurr-durr I'm a gamer" then make a choice, either gaming or another OS. Simple as that. And you call his argument stupid...

If people could unite and mass quit Windows, they would've done it by now. Addiction(gaming) and habits(start menu) dude. I hope linux become a competitive platform for games soon and this gaming side of Windows dies, so people CAN REALLY chose between OSes.
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Can someone explain to me how anyone thinks it's okay that sensitive information like bank account numbers and login information, as the keystrokes that generate them, get transmitted to Microsoft?

Or is that not what they mean when they say keystrokes are recorded?
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And besides, since when people are required to believe and trust big Corps ? Because they are abiding by laws ? VW is big. It's still big. Never trust corps.
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I feel like this is going to happen. After a year, when Win 10 is no longer free, Microsoft will add in the options to disable updates and sending data.

Don't think so... MS will be forced by (IT clueless) investors to follow profit yielding practices in the industry - Google, Apple. MS CEO will have to abide and go for paid apps, customer info collection/sales, targeted ads and what not.

Historically, MS doubled down on whatever the competition did - Netscape, Skype - and ruined the concept. IE, for ex., was an open advertising venue for websites and a hole in the OS for hackers. I would not be surprised if MS doubles down on the poor souls running the free (for now) Windows 10 and exposes them to tons of advertizing and so forth.
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