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Read through it, and this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shared_source

Nowhere does it state that anyone has full access. It states that they (government and commercial) have limited access to evaluate the security of Windows and other MS products.

Nothing tinfoil about it and it's a common practise among many commercial software vendors. Also, a nation can't simply embargo a legitimate corporation just because they suspect spying. They instead opt to invest into open source solutions such as Linux, because they control and maintain the level of security (yes, the USA does this too).

Besides, the original topic was on your reply stating that you would suspect that the NSA would have implemented backdoors on many Linux distros. My counter argument was that this would be very unlikely as GNU/Linux code is completely open and that any attempt to tamper with the code would be picked up quickly by the public. While proprietary code (e.g. Windows) might be tampered with, but if it's not detected before the binary release, it's then distributed with the malicious code implemented and with very little chance of it being picked up by anyone outside the MS dev team.

this.

mad rabbit basically said what you were saying in the beginning.

that's an agreement between you 2 that he doesn't agree to

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I'm sorry, but this is the stupidest argument I have ever read, and I keep seeing it pop up over and over. My smartphone is not my desktop PC. I use them in different ways for different things. I know how much data they are collecting from my phone, and I'm fine with it, because the only thing they will ever see looking through that data is me driving to work and back home every day, occasionally going to the grocery store, and calling/texting my wife and my work.

I choose what kind of information I release on social media (which is none these days, as I closed my Facebook account years ago and never got into twatter), so it doesn't matter. I don't use programs like Skype. The problem is, my PC is not one application/website/etc. It is my main machine that I use for all of the things I don't do on my phone. With NO OPTION for privacy, and the ability of Microsoft to monitor EVERYTHING I do on said machine as well as attempt to control what is and what is not installed on it, I have had to wipe one of my laptops and install linux on it.

I'm sorry, but that is just not above board no matter what way you look at it. My machine. I get to decide what's on it and what it does, not someone else.



But whats the big deal if your internet provider is essentially doing the same thing?
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I am inclined to think that what they are saying is the truth. Honestly, time is money, and the less random crap they have to sift through in order to find what they are looking for (ways to improve the OS stability and feature-sets) the better.

I hope you realize you're talking about Microsoft... a corporation with huge antitrust issues. All of a sudden you want to believe what their PR tells you?

Windows 10 is not in any static final form. Monitization has not even kicked in yet. A few months before launch, their strategy was to get W10 base finalized across most platforms and continue to work to that goal, and after they're done with that, will start implementing features that will start making it more money.

I'd like to see what a mostly complete W10 will look like before I decide switching. But I'm not looking forward to 3+ days reinstalling everything either.
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For the millionth time - Microsoft has been "spying" on you ever since xp (even before that probably).

The only difference is that you have the ability to know for sure that they're doing it. rolleyes.gif

You people should actually be happy that they're letting you know what they're doing, unlike previous versions of Windows where it was kept secret.

Keep living in your delusional fantasy world where things are only true if authority says so. Us "conspiracy nuts" knew this stuff decades ago.


And what is the exact point of your post? In fact, where is your point coming from? Is it replying to people complaining? Well, if that's the case, it seems the natural thing to do, no? Once you know about something, you can't pretend that it doesn't exist, right? So, I ask again, what exactly are you trying to say or what is the behaviour you think people should have from now on? That is what really matters.


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I am inclined to think that what they are saying is the truth. Honestly, time is money, and the less random crap they have to sift through in order to find what they are looking for (ways to improve the OS stability and feature-sets) the better. I'm sure Dale from IT doesn't give a crap about the hemorrhoid cream, or adult diapers you ordered for your "grandpa" off of Amazon last Thursday.

What I do find funny, though, is the hypocrisy of many people whom are very concerned about issues like these. They demand transparency of these companies, and yet demand privacy for themselves.

Here is the thing with this whole discussion: yes, by now we all know that in order to achieve super efficiency we need complete loss of privacy and look beyond people's bullcrap and lies and omissions in order to get to the gist of it, right? But is that really what people would be comfortable with?

We aren't robots and we certainly don't tend to put unwarranted trust in people we don't know unless we have a certain set of options and guarantees and checks and balances, etc.

The problem at the end of the day is that we can ask the exact same question about people's health - "everybody lies" (an exaggeration, but let's run with it for a moment), so why not achieve great efficiency if doctors could just read the telemetry data coming straight from a chip implanted in your body when you were a child? That chip would record everywhere you had been, under which conditions, what kind of food you ate, how many hours of sleep you get each day, if and how much exercise you do, etc, etc, etc. The doctor wouldn't need to ask you anything and you wouldn't have a chance to lie about anything in the first place.

Super efficient. And then the real nightmare would begin. I'm not even going into the detail about how many untrustworthy people would have access to your data, possibly even in real time and what they could do with it in terms of blackmail, taking advantage of you when you're down, etc.

Tell me, where exactly do you draw the line when it comes to efficiency? Are we supposed to be as efficient as robots? Are you going to sacrifice every last ounce of privacy in the name of efficiency?

Or are you willing to compromise and accept that fact that we need to reach an understanding and actually talk to each other in order to build trust relationships, even if that sometimes implies sifting through lies and bullcrap?

I said it about the lack of the Start Menu in Windows 8 and I'll say it again here because it's exactly the same thing: a winning Formula 1 team doesn't just win when the engineers look at the telemetry data alone, they win when the team works as a team - and that implies talking to the human factor that drives the car - the driver.

It would be hilarious if it wasn't sad to see Microsoft now calling the Start Menu "popular" and putting it at the centre of their PR materials when in 2012 they were writing a blog post justifying the removal of the Start Menu based on their telemetry readings. They forgot that you need more than telemetry to interpret the reality of the situation.

Computers are used by humans, not by other computers.
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But whats the big deal if your internet provider is essentially doing the same thing?

please feel free to post any proof.gif

i see a lot of assumptions but it doesn't explain the 3 DCMA warnings that my isp passed along to me over the last 4 years couldn't tell if i had actually "shared" any particular file(s). nor what devices were connected after talking to 2 techs and 1 supervisor on the phone for ~30 minutes a time.

however, it still doesn't mean 2(or more) wrongs don't make it right.
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We aren't robots and we certainly don't tend to put unwarranted trust in people we don't know unless we have a certain set of options and guarantees and checks and balances, etc.

We do it all the time. Do you know anyone from the major certificate authorities? smile.gif
    
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Kinda self-explanatory.
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I am sure the NSA has built back doors into every Linux distro available. wink.gif
This would prove very difficult since the source is completely open. As for Windows, it's propriety code that even Microsoft employees struggle to sift through, so keeping your malicious code a secret would be much easier.

Unless it's called systemd, then, well... biggrin.gif
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Found that settinign gpedit in enterprise by random.

Glad i can turn it off atleast :-)
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Found that settinign gpedit in enterprise by random.

Glad i can turn it off atleast :-)
wait... does it have to be enterprise?
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