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With Vulkan and more game engines, developers supporting Linux,

MS 's Anti-privacy, can kiss my grits!
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Originally Posted by Blameless View Post

The more people protest about the legitimate and easily correctable issues they have, the more likely they are to be corrected. Many of the better aspects of Windows 10 are a direct result of the enormous backlash over the problems introduced with Windows 8.

If Microsoft wants to accelerate the transition to Windows 10, they are going to need to cater to the huge number of people who haven't switched yet. The fanatics and early adopters are already on the OS, and despite a promising early adoption rate (mostly because MS is trying to ram it down everyone's throat), it's going to be a long time before it surpasses Windows 7 at the rate things are going.

The operating system is free and is being pushed pretty hard...if there weren't major issues, we'd all be using it on all of our systems.
Which is ridiculous.

That is what I was saying though...the best way to get what you want is not to complain, but to just not use/buy the product. If enough people feel the same way, Microsoft may in fact do something. But I can guarantee most of the comments and complaints around here are not going to make this happen any sooner. In fact, most of these people would likely find something to complain about no matter what anyway...it's the bottom line, the $$$, the market share...that matters. In fact, if there are enough people not willing to use Windows 10, there could be a place for a competing product. But I just don't see any of that happening any time soon. My guess is, at most, they will make potential users "feel" safer about using their OS...without actually doing much of anything. Also, I am sure MS realizes that once DX12 games start to show up, a lot of these people vowing not to make the move, will suddenly be using Windows 10, maybe not liking that it is their only option, but to MS it doesn't matter...they would already be using the product, so I doubt their opinion of it matters much at that point.
Edited by Aaron_Henderson - 9/28/15 at 6:49pm
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This is what comes with the ultimate support possible. It should atleast include a feature to disable the call home with a notification that specifies that danger of turning it off.
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Originally Posted by Liranan View Post

If this is all MS are doing please explain why every key stroke, every file you access, Bitlocker keys, every video you watch, etc. are uploaded to Bing's servers. Needing a key logger to ensure the safety and stability of their software is nonsense. I do not need them to keep me safe from myself for my own good, I can choose and decide which updates I install myself. While most people may be ignorant and know nothing I want the choice.

And just because you are propagating we live in a world that is far worse than that of 1984 and This Perfect Day I do not want to live in such a world.

If this was true it would be a big problem but it is not true.

In reality it is possible for third parties to verify what is actually collected.

If you cannot trust MS to tell you what they really collect with 10 and the government is helping them hide it why trust XP, 7, or even Linux? I am sure the NSA has built back doors into every Linux distro available. wink.gif
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Everyone is acting like the current build of W10 is static or something. They're still going to be adding a lot to it and we won't see the full monitization until a year or two down the road when they finish integrating everything. There's at least a full round of feature updates and components that will be added on. Yeah, there will be fixes and workarounds for stuff I'm sure, I'd just like to see the complete package before I migrate.
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TL;DR Because it helps the average user and because being able to automate so much of it both improves service and cuts costs significantly, regardless of what some OCNers think.

______________________________

As for forced updates, even people on OCN deny security patches. They are obviously not in a mental state that can be trusted. They are the Anti-Vaxxers of the computer world.

The only concerns are if it (telemetry or updates) impacts a capped data plan, or if something bad was being done with the info, and if MS did something bad with your info, well, it wouldn't end well for them.
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Originally Posted by Liranan View Post

Very easy to explain: you don't want your privacy, we do. You want to live in a dystopian tyranny, we don't. We will pay MS to spy on us, we don't want to but you do.

There, it's all explained.

that doesn't explain the reason of why "none" isn't an option.

so what if the average user are illiterate, or that other people just simply don't care? does that make it a valid reason for having no ways to turn it off for advance users?


its much like having a car have no reverse just because the vast majority only goes forward.
Edited by epic1337 - 9/28/15 at 8:16pm
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Lost me at "Critics have accused Windows 10 of spying on customers and collecting data for nefarious purposes, and those criticisms, despite a lack of supporting evidence"

Another Microsoft funded advertorial... rolleyes.gif
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That's fine, MS doesn't care about you.

It is non-negotiable, but it is so in their favor, not yours. They're giving it away for free for a year, they lose nothing by you denying it.

All if means is when/if you do eventually go to 10, if you miss the year mark, you get to pay them. If you never go to 10... same result as if you got it right now. Most everyone who cares about this also doesn't care about the Store they want to make money on anyway.

No, they lose out. People like us can stay on 7/8.1 for now, sure but what about as programs become increasingly incompatible if MS continues in this direction for a decade or longer? Easiest way to create a market for Linux, by far especially with the recent push and both AMD and nVidia improving their drivers. Even if the default options are designed for casual users who don't know better, power users should be allowed to set their systems up exactly as they please as they have a very different workflow. It's extremely easy to hide the advanced options behind a keyboard shortcut or something similar so casual users don't accidentally break the OS.

And sometimes patches break parts of the OS, I personally like to wait to install them. It doesn't often happen but it can be system breaking.
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Lost me at "Critics have accused Windows 10 of spying on customers and collecting data for nefarious purposes, and those criticisms, despite a lack of supporting evidence"

Another Microsoft funded advertorial... rolleyes.gif

Haha, same here. I've just been lurking. Hilarious that the OP calls it a "dosage of reality". Some people are so gullible. The evidence has been presented more than enough. You wouldn't have programs like "Anti-Beacon 10" coming out if there weren't any evidence... hilarious.

And as far as the wording, "for nefarious purposes", when this data is stored indefinitely and can be given to any governmental entity at any time with no oversight and be used against you, it amounts to a warrantless search, which is pretty nefarious IMHO, not to mention the excuse of "personalizing" your experience or tailoring ads to your interests, which IMHO amounts to psychological profiling which, IMHO, is also pretty nefarious. I guess the word nefarious can be very subjective. What one considers nefarious activity might not be considered nefarious to the next.
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honestly this is what they want you to believe. it doesnt reflect what really happens behind the scenes.

give me a 100% opt out button that actually does what it says it does.

2. You are in control with the ability to determine what information is collected

yeh right... thats a joke isnt it
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