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Well I'm not lawyer - but that was my understanding of skimming over the W10 EULA that MS can do whatever they want with your PC including, but not limited to, keylogging, looking into the contents of your files and uploading "stuff" to their servers in the background, access/analyze/upload snippets from all external devices "data" (including external thumbdrives and network drives, microphone, camera, etc). Perhaps I am indeed a bit paranoid towards them but for me it seems justified given my impression of them of late. I kind of think that if their EULA allows it they will do it, hell I suspect they would do stuff even if their EULA would not allow it given their recent track record.

And the moves they are doing currently is doing nothing to ease my paranoia. They do have, for example, descriptions of the W10 updates (as shown by recent leaking of some of them) - they just refuse to share these with us being deliberately vague and just saying "trust us, its gonna be fine!". And this PR is just doing the same - saying "trust us, we are the good guys!". But I find it hard to believe in the light of all the stuff they have been getting caught with of late.

the lack of transparency is worrying.

they expect us to be transparent for their benefits though, sadly its a one way street where your private data ends up in a black hole that no body really know where it ends up
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Well I'm not lawyer - but that was my understanding of skimming over the W10 EULA that MS can do whatever they want with your PC including, but not limited to, keylogging, looking into the contents of your files and uploading "stuff" to their servers in the background, access/analyze/upload snippets from all external devices "data" (including external thumbdrives and network drives, microphone, camera, etc). Perhaps I am indeed a bit paranoid towards them but for me it seems justified given my impression of them of late. I kind of think that if their EULA allows it they will do it, hell I suspect they would do stuff even if their EULA would not allow it given their recent track record.

And the moves they are doing currently is doing nothing to ease my paranoia. They do have, for example, descriptions of the W10 updates (as shown by recent leaking of some of them) - they just refuse to share these with us being deliberately vague and just saying "trust us, its gonna be fine!". And this PR is just doing the same - saying "trust us, we are the good guys!". But I find it hard to believe in the light of all the stuff they have been getting caught with of late.

To be honest, the keylogging part (as long as someone actually find out how much keylogging actually is going on) I'm okay with IF it goes towards improving Bing and/or spellcheck purposes.

I'm not even sure the voice part, that you pointed out earlier, even is intact anymore in the full release. I know it was (and probably is for me since I'm an "insider") on TPs.

The point being, I personally couldn't find any more info on the voice part, the keylogging I know about and don't mind much to be honest and don't know what to think about the file uploads. Guess MS already has that data from my Office 365.

Paranoia is a good thing, to an certain extent. You bring out valid points and valid concerns but some here, just go to extreme with it by making up stuff and trying to push those as a fact to everyone. None of us actually know what MS is doing with that data, while it would be good to know I'm more than sure we will never get to know it. Then there's 2 options, deal with it or switch to another OS. Considering the user base for MS, doubt they will care what a small minority thinks about it.
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Hehe. Well in this case the current option for those who are "a bit paranoid" is to not just upgrade from whereever they are currently (and ofc not to install the latest telemetry updates for the previous Windows versions that have been released). W7 has long term support for quite a number of years more. When that ends well .. then its a decision time - perhaps by then there might be some viable alternative, perhaps not. We'll see.

The problem with data sniffing is, for example, if I have a truecrypt container containing, for example, a text file with all my usernames and passwords for everywhere in the internet. As soon as I mount that container W10 would go and sniff at it, potentially cashing the text file with access keys to my whole digital identity somewhere in the "cloud". Let's assume that MS is totally trustworth, for a second, and does not do anything "bad" with it - but it's still a man made system meaning its not 100% secure and ALL that data will be quite luractive for all kind of other entities who will do their best to hack into it and get their claws on some of that data - perhaps also mine. Hell, even department of homeland security in the US managed to lose some number of millions of fingerprints of US goverment employees to "someone" and I would assume that is data that was very well protected.

Microphone data - well ... I'm old enough to remember the end of Soviet Union. I remember how my grandmother drilled me before going to first class in school what is ok to say and what I should not say under any circumstances telling me that otherwise KGB will come and take away my family to be never seen again like happened to her parents. Would Soviet Union have fallen if there would have been a microphone in every home always alert, always listening, running algorithms and trying to figure out if there is perhaps something "wrong"? I honestly do not know - perhaps - perhaps it would have lasted a while longer, perhaps its fall would not have been so relatively bloodless.
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Comparing KGB and Soviet to MS is a bit of an stretch to say the least. In the sense it was all bugged without your consent. You can use Windows and you may chose not to.

Using Windows 7/8 isn't any better for people who are worried about this since they go the same telemetry updates that Windows 10 has. Yes, you can keep fighting and turn them off by means that are out there but eventually you need to make a choice. Hope and ride it out until Linux gains traction or if it won't you'll be in the same boat anyway.

About the fingerprints part, it doesn't matter anymore as long as you use an phone with an fingerprint sensor.

Anyway, to keep this short. Moaning and whining about the things in Windows 10 won't make it better. There are already millions upon millions using it and a very small part from that won't make them change their minds. Your data is being collected anyway, everywhere (ID card for us example..), there's no escape until you disconnect yourself and move to an remote place without any signals what so ever.

Why people make a big thing about this? It's Microsoft, it's one of those companies that you love to hate. For example, the same fingerprint sensors, see how people have forgot that Apple actually wanted to store those (and maybe they do now since there are no news about it anymore) on their "cloud". It went past quite quickly because they don't have the market Microsoft does.
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A bit offtopic, they actually did have bugs all over the place, not in all the homes but hospitals etc. were full of them.

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So, I am to believe that there's no evidence because MS said so? And discredit anyone saying they do in fact spy on you because they follow some weird personal agenda against ms?
And them having more domains than google that are contacted frequently by OS are there just because they care so much about me and want to know what is broken?
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Wake me up when I can configure windows update properly, all updates have release notes and I can disable telemetry.

Also Microsoft doesn't need to have some evil intent - they are located in lawless country where all companies can be forced to share data with intelligence agencies so just collecting that data is enough.

The United States is hardly what I would call "lawless" .. Somalia, on the other hand, is lawless. Would you prefer to live there?

Really guys... All this whining and complaining about telemetry and privacy over Windows 10 is laughable. Almost every single user on this forum has a smart phone or device, or Facebook, or Skype, or any other device or account that is in some way connected to a telecommunications company. And you know what? They're collecting everything you do on said device or account. Why aren't you people whining about that? Is it because they're not Microsoft? Is the Microsoft-hate bandwagon so attractive that you flat out refuse to acknowledge, and even ignore, the practices of folks like Apple, Sprint, Vodafone, AT&T, Comcast, Time Warner, etc?

Get with the program already. It's a fact of life and your only other alternative is to disconnect entirely. And quite frankly, if you're not plotting to overthrow your favorite government establishment of choice and/or you're not perusing highly questionable media, then what's the problem? Is your "privacy" when browsing OCN, Newegg, and other websites really so important that you have to raise a big stink over one company? As pointed out in a similar thread, and with me quoting similar companies as I did here, someone asked: What about CarrierIQ? Did you all just forget about that mess?
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Sure.

Users are computer stupid. They would rather gripe about the problem than so much as click a "Send report to Microsoft" button. As a result, Microsoft chose to by default enable a way they might even be able to combat the problem by taking a more proactive approach in fixing the problem; by seeing that there even is one.

From the perspective of someone who has to fix the problems (Not MS associated), no, you (imaginary-person) do not get to decide anymore. You can not be trusted to report to me what the problem is, and you are more likely to yell at me over the phone than be helpful. So forget that, Event Log data is accessible by me, I'll read the error for myself and collect as much information as I can get my hands on to try and find several solutions to your problem before I even call you to help. It'll cut down how much time it takes for me to be on the phone with you, and It'll automate the Tier 1 script-reader process everyone hates so much. It'll allow me to, if I see any given error happening a lot, forward it on to people that can fix it before it becomes a serious issue.

Yes some people on OCN would never need my help. But I can not enable the deny option, because one of you will post online how to disable it fully and the stupid ones will follow your advice even though they do need my help. And now we're back to where we started.

It will not impact anyone significantly, and those that really truly care and have the skill to never need my help will find a way like they always do. But I will make it as hard as I can to stop them from making my life as hard as they can.



TL;DR Because it helps the average user and because being able to automate so much of it both improves service and cuts costs significantly, regardless of what some OCNers think.

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As for forced updates, even people on OCN deny security patches. They are obviously not in a mental state that can be trusted. They are the Anti-Vaxxers of the computer world.

The only concerns are if it (telemetry or updates) impacts a capped data plan, or if something bad was being done with the info, and if MS did something bad with your info, well, it wouldn't end well for them.

Computer illiterates making things harder on MS is not an excuse for blanket forcing things on everyone. This a real problem for them? Fine then mark a 4th option to turn everything off with a note that you are not eligible for support if you use that setting. Problem solved. The illiterates will get what they want and i get what i want since i'll never use MS support anyway since i can answer their questions...
    
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The United States is hardly what I would call "lawless" .. Somalia, on the other hand, is lawless. Would you prefer to live there?

Really guys... All this whining and complaining about telemetry and privacy over Windows 10 is laughable. Almost every single user on this forum has a smart phone or device, or Facebook, or Skype, or any other device or account that is in some way connected to a telecommunications company. And you know what? They're collecting everything you do on said device or account. Why aren't you people whining about that? Is it because they're not Microsoft? Is the Microsoft-hate bandwagon so attractive that you flat out refuse to acknowledge, and even ignore, the practices of folks like Apple, Sprint, Vodafone, AT&T, Comcast, Time Warner, etc?

Get with the program already. It's a fact of life and your only other alternative is to disconnect entirely. And quite frankly, if you're not plotting to overthrow your favorite government establishment of choice and/or you're not perusing highly questionable media, then what's the problem? Is your "privacy" when browsing OCN, Newegg, and other websites really so important that you have to raise a big stink over one company? As pointed out in a similar thread, and with me quoting similar companies as I did here, someone asked: What about CarrierIQ? Did you all just forget about that mess?
I'm such a member. No phone. Hate social media. I only use internet for browsing, movies, music and games.
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So I don't really care what they're using the data for, and at this point it's pretty difficult to actually figure out what it's doing. I just want to know:

Is there really a keylogger in W10 sending any portion of my keystrokes to MS?

and

Is it collecting my files? Any file I placed on the computer that isn't a part of W10?
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I don't care if MS comes with me, but they will ride in the back. If I install Windows 10 for DX12 and it updates to a broken driver on top of old drivers and I can't game with it then what was the point?
Win10 doesn't force driver updates.
    
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