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Thinking of buy a couple of UPS's early next year, 1 for my main rig and 1 my server, NAS & modem, I'm planning on getting an Eaton 5S 1600VA for main rig (future proofing) & an Eaton 3S 700VA for the server, NAS & modem.

Now this is where my question comes in, can I run a heavy duty extension cord from the mains to the UPS or does the UPS have to be plugged directly into the mains?

Thanks wheee.gif.

Also if these are crap UPS's I picked just tell me tongue.gif.
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Electrical devices have no idea how long the cord connecting them to power is. All they know is whether enough power is coming through the cord.
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So... it doesn't matter what cords going in as long as it can handle the power to the UPS?
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Keep in mind that the longer the cord going in, the larger it will need to be to avoid voltage drop.
     
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Yeah I know, 5m is I need for both UPS's and I'm pretty sure that one I linked the largest / thickest cord I can get before going 15amp.
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So... it doesn't matter what cords going in as long as it can handle the power to the UPS?
You sir, are correct.

And I assume you've read up on surge suppression and know what you need. There's a whole lot of pretty useless "snake oil" junk out there. You might want to look into "hospital grade" equipment.

I note that the devices you picked do not provide any power conditioning, something you might want to consider, so long as you're in a buying mood. But then you can get carried away with that - low oxygen copper wire on a new separate circuit from the panel, "low noise" outlets and power cables,. and on and on...
 
 
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Electrical devices have no idea how long the cord connecting them to power is. All they know is whether enough power is coming through the cord.

What about amperage? Is there an increase or decrease with long cords?
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Electrical devices have no idea how long the cord connecting them to power is. All they know is whether enough power is coming through the cord.

What about amperage? Is there an increase or decrease with long cords?
No, amps is how much power the device is drawing. The cord will try to supply whatever power the device needs (that's the way god made electricity flow through wires!), and that's the problem.
If the cord can't supply the amps needed, the voltage the cord supplies increases (Ohn's Law), which causes cord and the device to run hotter. until, in the worst case, either the cord or the device burns up. What likely happens though is that the fuse or the over voltage protection circuit in the device shuts it down to protect it.

You can look at the rated amp draw of the device and from that calculate the length /size of the cord needed.
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Forgot about this thread redface.gif.

Looks like in Aus if I want any heavier duty cable I either need to make it or use a 15AMP one which I cant, so I suppose the one I picked will have to do.

I also noticed Scorptec has a much wider variety of UPS's so if the ones I linked in the OP aren't that good I can pick different ones, I'm planning on buying the one for my server / NAS at the start of next month.
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Why would you need a heavy duty extension lead? All light duty domestic leads are rated a 10a for their length. Your gpo is only rated at 10a and your UPS can supply about 5a, so any $3 lead will do just fine. By the way, leads described as heavy duty refer to the outer sheath protection and not its electrical capacity.
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