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I've seen plenty of people force DIMMs in backwards and latch them down.

Many motherboard can survive the flexing and will work fine when the DIMM is inserted correctly. Same thing can happen with different generations of DDR.

Ok... maybe people are dumber than I thought.
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post #32 of 111
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Haswell is a dead socket. Poor investment IMO.

every socket of intel's is a dead socket, they only last 2~3generations at best.

who in their right mind would upgrade 1generation on intel's CPUs? well unless you went from less cores to more cores.

Haswell to Skylake difference is tolerable, its not that aggressively large, i don't expect kabylake to be much of an upgrade over skylake either, cannonlake though promises more cores.
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every socket of intel's is a dead socket, they only last 2~3generations at best.

who in their right mind would upgrade 1generation on intel's CPUs? well unless you went from less cores to more cores.

Haswell to Skylake difference is tolerable, its not that aggressively large, i don't expect kabylake to be much of an upgrade over skylake either, cannonlake though promises more cores.
Yes but if I was buying all new stuff, I'd go with the board that has a future.
I'll be on Haswell for a hot minute though. I happen to love my board better than my current CPU.

Right now the difference is minimal but the gap will get wider.
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Yes. There were 1.75 and 1.8v sticks being sold before sandy bridge hit.

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820220344

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Yes but if I was buying all new stuff, I'd go with the board that has a future.
I'll be on Haswell for a hot minute though. I happen to love my board better than my current CPU.

Right now the difference is minimal but the gap will get wider.

its a valid reason yes, but that doesn't make Haswell an invalid option.
haswell platform still has almost all the features skylake has, aside from new instruction sets and DDR4.

and on the other hand, skylake is much more expensive than haswell as of this time, the platform itself is notably more expensive.
this means most budget builders will get more of their money's worth in going with Haswell.


in a way, intel's platform makes it so that even if you bought skylake, the best you could upgrade to is probably cannonlake (which most probably ~5% IPC improvement, yet again).
any further "upgrades" would require you to swap motherboards, again, and yes its not a cheap thing to do.
Edited by epic1337 - 9/30/15 at 7:38pm
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That's a moot point. Intel sockets are "dead" the day they're launched.

Meaning, that by the time most people plan on upgrading (1, 2, maybe 3 years later) Intel has switched to yet another socket and you'll either have to buy an out of stock / second hand CPU compatible with your socket or a new mobo and cpu altogether.

Yup, gone are the days of 775. What's more ridiculous to me is the constant addition or removal of a handful of pins.... 1156, 1155, 1151, 1150... you couldn't have released those processors on two of those sockets instead?

Barely get two generations out of a socket.
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Yup, gone are the days of 775. What's more ridiculous to me is the constant addition or removal of a handful of pins.... 1156, 1155, 1151, 1150... you couldn't have released those processors on two of those sockets instead?

What Intel actually does with its pins and their relative locations can change quite a bit between similarly-numbered sockets, like when Intel went to a fully-integrated voltage regulation (FIVR) configuration on Haswell. The only way to execute a new power delivery setup on an old socket would be to create a hardware kludge like the circa-1995 "Pentium Overdrive", which was both a technical and commercial failure.

That said, the reason that Intel only changes a small amount of pins for the consumer-series 115x sockets is to ensure that the external dimensions remain the same, which allows cooling solutions (both air and water) to be easily re-used between CPU/socket generations.
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Yup, gone are the days of 775.

Early 775 boards were generally not compatible with later 775 CPUs.

Best case scenario with 775 was three generations, and usually it was less.
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What's more ridiculous to me is the constant addition or removal of a handful of pins.... 1156, 1155, 1151, 1150... you couldn't have released those processors on two of those sockets instead?

1156 -> 1155 didn't have wild changes, but there were still updates that would have made it difficult to retain the same socket.

1151 radically changed how power delivery works and 1150 changed it again in addition to adding DDR4 support. There is no remotely practical way these could have been the same socket, or that either could have remained compatible with 1156 or 1155.
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Makes me want to go get a SkyLake and run it with 1.65v DDR3 and see how long it will last XD
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http://www.kitguru.net/components/motherboard/anton-shilov/intel-prolonged-usage-of-ddr3-memory-at-default-voltages-can-damage-skylake/
Thinking about building a budget build with sjylake and ddr3? Tread lightly and be sure you get 1.35v RAM.

Jokes on you suckers. Ive been using gskill sniper ultra low voltage memory for 3 years now and overclocked it from 1.25v 1600 to 1.35 at 1866. Suits me just fine thumb.gif granted, I have sandy bridge, but the mem is capable.
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