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Phthalates = Plasticizer

One of the problems with buying only X feet long runs of tubing is that you cant know for sure what you get. It can be LRT or Pro or just run-of-the-mill $0.15 / feet PVC hose.. depending on who does the cutting (and how honest they are).

Which is why you should always buy a roll.. in its original box ... and even then you cant be sure that somebody didn't switch the packaging.
You would only know if you had specialized equipment to analyze the hose... or if you would use it for a year and find it doesn't meet the expectations, at which point NONE of the shops will refund you.

I'm not saying that all PC Watercooling specialist webshops are thieves.. not at all. I do believe that most of them are just enthusiasts who kinda "rolled into" business.

But the possibility (and temptation) exists, and if you have trust issues, and want to be sure you get what you pay for, you should source tubing/hoses from somewhere else... Medical/Food Grade equipment shops/specialist, St-Gobain, aquarium specialist, etc.

And you might actually be able to get a better value for money deal while doing so smile.gif
you could also try to convince St-Gobain to part with 3 feet long "samples" of their products - for free biggrin.gif

There has been a debate on plasticizers outside of the WC community for a while now... including pet owners, health concerned parents, sandal wearing tree-huggers, politicians , etc
If i recall correctly, there was a law in the making banning all "dangerous" plasticizers... including their use in common garden hose...
Dont know where its at, but if you plug the above bold words into google you should be able to find the articles. Including the ones that say "now my kids body is gonna explode with cancer because he drank from the garden hose". and "within weeks of changing the hoses, all my exotic fish started dying off"

Even while slightly poking fun at it; the whole plasticizer thing is taken seriously by several people & organizations & governmental bodies... and i for one would welcome plasticiser-free garden hose. It would be like coming full circle. In the late '90s & early '00s.. garden hose was commonly used in selfbuild watercooling contraptions smile.gif
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Phthalates = Plasticizer

One of the problems with buying only X feet long runs of tubing is that you cant know for sure what you get. It can be LRT or Pro or just run-of-the-mill $0.15 / feet PVC hose.. depending on who does the cutting (and how honest they are).

Which is why you should always buy a roll.. in its original box ... and even then you cant be sure that somebody didn't switch the packaging.
You would only know if you had specialized equipment to analyze the hose... or if you would use it for a year and find it doesn't meet the expectations, at which point NONE of the shops will refund you.

I'm not saying that all PC Watercooling specialist webshops are thieves.. not at all. I do believe that most of them are just enthusiasts who kinda "rolled into" business.

But the possibility (and temptation) exists, and if you have trust issues, and want to be sure you get what you pay for, you should source tubing/hoses from somewhere else... Medical/Food Grade equipment shops/specialist, St-Gobain, aquarium specialist, etc.

And you might actually be able to get a better value for money deal while doing so smile.gif
you could also try to convince St-Gobain to part with 3 feet long "samples" of their products - for free biggrin.gif

There has been a debate on plasticizers outside of the WC community for a while now... including pet owners, health concerned parents, sandal wearing tree-huggers, politicians , etc
If i recall correctly, there was a law in the making banning all "dangerous" plasticizers... including their use in common garden hose...
Dont know where its at, but if you plug the above bold words into google you should be able to find the articles. Including the ones that say "now my kids body is gonna explode with cancer because he drank from the garden hose". and "within weeks of changing the hoses, all my exotic fish started dying off"

Even while slightly poking fun at it; the whole plasticizer thing is taken seriously by several people & organizations & governmental bodies... and i for one would welcome plasticiser-free garden hose. It would be like coming full circle. In the late '90s & early '00s.. garden hose was commonly used in selfbuild watercooling contraptions smile.gif

Thanks dude for that long reply. And boy is it long. Informative, but long. tongue.gif
I didn't know it was such a big deal... have personally never heard of the term before reading about it in relationship with water cooling. Though I could imagine fish dying by that crap.

I do trust my water cooling store though. Your response is close to paranoid IMO. I do get what you mean by buying the whole box. True, people can easily supply you with a few feet of 1-cent tubing. Will keep it in mind when I buy new tubing.


On the other hand.
Had some contact with PrimoChill, few mails.

They told me that they couldn't supply me with proper information as they don't know what my loops consists of. On top of that they highly advice against using Biocides. So I supplied them info of all the parts that are in my loop. Also asked them why they advice against Biocides (I am certain it is needed to prevent Algae and Corrosion).

This is the response I got from them:
Quote:
Thank you for providing all of that information. You are correct in that you do need something to prohibit the growth of microorganisms, however you want to use one that is not toxic. We very highly recommend not using any toxic additives, such as a copper sulfate. We do have a product that is Earth friendly and will not destroy the integrity of your tube. I have provided you with a link to Liquid Utopia. This has all of the anti-corrosive and anti-microbial properties you are looking for without the harmful effects. Please let me know if you've got any questions or comments. Have a great day!

http://www.primochill.com/product/primochill-liquid-utopia/
http://www.amazon.com/PrimoChill-Liquid-Utopia-15ml-Bottle/dp/B00CDXQ22M/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1444147843&sr=8-1&keywords=liquid+utopia

Any idea about this, someone? I understand the idea... but is it really true? Could very well be they just try to sell me something. biggrin.gif

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A bit of both I imagine.

I cannot say for sure because I never put biocides in my loop. My system usually runs in very low light conditions and I drain flush and refill about every 6 to 9 months.

Only time I saw algae in my loop it was my fault for halfassed draining and letting my loop sit intact. It sat for 2 years. When I came back to it I opened my CPU block to see black crud filling the microchannels. eek.gif

Had I just left it online and running it might have been worse cause my brother doesn't(yet) watercool and I left my system with him to keep it safe while I was living in another state. I checked the other block in my loop and there was nothing in that so what I should've done was pull everything and let it air dry. I wouldn't have had anything happen except the plasticizers leech which I already had before I left. doh.gif

Sez la vie. biggrin.gif

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