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Could this be a sign that theres nothing left in the single core performance tank?

Wasn't there suppose to be a feature where a 2 thread core could turn into one big core (Inverse hyperthreading?) in order to increase single core performance depending on the program/software/task?

http://wccftech.com/intel-inverse-hyper-threading-skylake/
Edited by TheBloodEagle - 10/2/15 at 11:01am
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Wasn't there suppose to be a feature where a 2 thread core could turn into one big core (Inverse hyperthreading?) in order to increase single core performance depending on the program/software/task?

http://wccftech.com/intel-inverse-hyper-threading-skylake/

that was a myth, born from VISC news.

but on the note of IPC wall, no intel hasn't reached it yet, but its getting harder to increase IPC as they want.
what we need though is more efficient programmers, and more efficient instruction sets in general, x86 is too big of an instruction set.
Edited by epic1337 - 10/2/15 at 11:16am
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good point, in a certain bracket the cost of APUs are far better than CPU+GPU solutions, but thats where the specialty chips comes in.
if intel were to expand their atom and core-M line to encompass a higher performance area, they could cover it without severely affecting their designs.
atom for example can be expanded to 8cores which performs adequately on highly multi-threaded workloads.
on the other hand, core-M can be clocked higher, this barely increases power consumption, yet it vastly increases it's overall usability.
this actually gives core-M the possibility of better binning, higher efficiency chips can be binned to lower TDPs, while the less efficient can be binned with higher TDP and higher clock.

both chips can be used for entry devices that would require mainstream i3 level performance, yet they could be manufactured cheaper than the mainstream line.


actually that brings up one of my points, why does i7 CPUs get IrisPro and i3s doesn't? or at least not commonly.

edit: on another note, am i the only one who thinks desktop and office OEMs should all switch to NUCs? well unless its a specialty high-performance PC.
NUCs in general are much more convenient to use, and are also very compact, certain NUCs even has discrete GPUs in them, gigabyte's brix for example.
as for the costs in general, they'd get cheaper as more OEMs takes up the challenge on making the "best NUC", competition is a good thing.

Do you even know what the Core Ms are? If you did, you wouldn't be saying crap like this. Core Ms are quite literally the mobile Core i5s with more aggressive throttling, lower base clocks, and lower TDPs. You want a higher clocked Core M? It already exists as the i5-U and i7-U series.

Again, your vision of how things should be and what reality is are two very different things.
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Broadwell and Haswell are 4c/8t. Broadwell E will be the same as Haswell E

There are no 6 Core in Z170 or Z97. There are 8 Cores in X99 so having a non Extreme 8 Core is nothing special for Intel.
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There are no 6 Core in Z170 or Z97. There are 8 Cores in X99 so having a non Extreme 8 Core is nothing special for Intel.
thye keep their line for 2 gen on X chipset
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Do you even know what the Core Ms are? If you did, you wouldn't be saying crap like this. Core Ms are quite literally the mobile Core i5s with more aggressive throttling, lower base clocks, and lower TDPs. You want a higher clocked Core M? It already exists as the i5-U and i7-U series.

Again, your vision of how things should be and what reality is are two very different things.

what, does that even make my point any different?
my point was to have the CPU+iGP line concentrated on the 2C/4T lines, it narrows down the binning requirements to a much more simpler standard.
fact is, intel has 3 lines on just broadwell alone, and that even excludes the Xeon E5 lines, they have the 4C/8T with IrisPro line, the 2C/4T with GT3 line, and the 4C/8T with GT3 line.
even if we ignore the 4C/8T IrisPro and leave it be, if they would just omit the 4C/8T GT3, and replace it with a no-iGP line, they would have a line with very high output and far better margins per die.
just look at how huge that iGP is, they could literally double their yield and double their margins at the same time.



you insist that what i think isn't reality, but what makes yours reality?
Edited by epic1337 - 10/2/15 at 6:59pm
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thye keep their line for 2 gen on X chipset

The first Quad Core form Intel QX6700 had a customer version Q6600 soon latter. The first 6-Core X980 had the 970 soon latter. 8-Core is actually late.
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I hope that we seem more cores in the mainstream lines. I mean, it's true a large percentage of apps cannot use them, but it should always be an option for those who need it.

That and I"m hoping we'll see even more cores in the HEDT line (I'm talking giant dies here).
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+rep

this is exactly what i have been wanting for awhile now, they made a 2500k with no integrated graphics so it could be higher overclocked, i really would love to see a special chip like that with cannonlake designed forpc builders biggrin.gif

come on intel show some love biggrin.gif

Actually more cores will likely decrease the OC headroom. Your typical Haswell E chip does perhaps 4.4-4.6 GHz, while Devil's Canyon does 4.6-4.8 GHz. There are always golden chips that do more (say 4.7 for Haswell E and 4.9-5.0 GHz for DC), but they are the exception. Four cores seems to be optimal in that regard as many games now use 4 cores, and it doesn't seem to clock slower (G3258 doesn't get any faster at a given voltage than say, a 4790K).

Oh and the iGPU is switched off when you use a discrete GPU. It is a waste of die space though. I'd rather Intel have a giant L4 cache instead of an iGPU. The 5775c has shown that to be useful under some benchmarks.

So long as they offer 4 core options though, I cannot say no to it though.

I just hope they use an indium solder for the larger cores though and not TIM.
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The first Quad Core form Intel QX6700 had a customer version Q6600 soon latter. The first 6-Core X980 had the 970 soon latter. 8-Core is actually late.


Sadly for us enthusiasts, we have not yet seen any cheaper 8 core CPUs.

In theory, Intel could offer one. I think it's lack of competition and incentives to do so. Maybe Zen will change that, which is about the time that 10nm CPUs will arrive. HEDT will happen perhaps a year after that though.
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The first Quad Core form Intel QX6700 had a customer version Q6600 soon latter. The first 6-Core X980 had the 970 soon latter. 8-Core is actually late.
X58=i7 920,980X (2009)>x79=i7 3930,3820 (2011);i7 4930k,4820k(Aug 2013)>x99=5820k,5930k (Aug 2014);i7 6820k,6930k(Q1 2016),>x180/189(2016/2017)

4c,6c 45nm,32nm(almost 2years)
4c,6c 32nm,22nm(almost 2years)
6c,6c 22nm,14nm(almost 2years)
8c,8c/10c, 14nm,10nm (almost 2years)
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I hope that we seem more cores in the mainstream lines. I mean, it's true a large percentage of apps cannot use them, but it should always be an option for those who need it.

That and I"m hoping we'll see even more cores in the HEDT line (I'm talking giant dies here).
Actually more cores will likely decrease the OC headroom. Your typical Haswell E chip does perhaps 4.4-4.6 GHz, while Devil's Canyon does 4.6-4.8 GHz. There are always golden chips that do more (say 4.7 for Haswell E and 4.9-5.0 GHz for DC), but they are the exception. Four cores seems to be optimal in that regard as many games now use 4 cores, and it doesn't seem to clock slower (G3258 doesn't get any faster at a given voltage than say, a 4790K).

Oh and the iGPU is switched off when you use a discrete GPU. It is a waste of die space though. I'd rather Intel have a giant L4 cache instead of an iGPU. The 5775c has shown that to be useful under some benchmarks.

So long as they offer 4 core options though, I cannot say no to it though.

I just hope they use an indium solder for the larger cores though and not TIM.
Sadly for us enthusiasts, we have not yet seen any cheaper 8 core CPUs.

In theory, Intel could offer one. I think it's lack of competition and incentives to do so. Maybe Zen will change that, which is about the time that 10nm CPUs will arrive. HEDT will happen perhaps a year after that though.

That is too much to ask for when AMD is lacking so far behind.


Solder plus no-iGPU but giant L4 cache, yes definitely it will make their cores better, in fact they can add in the new AVX 512 instruction set also. but would they do that?


Intel has been forcing us with their iGPU nonsense down our throat all this years, and will remain so until AMD start to buck up.
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