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Yeah but the difference and games are so small, I am not on planning dual GPU. Not playing any games that can use i7 optimal actually and also not really any rendering so I think I will be better of getting the 6600K, can always get the 6700k if its a huge difference in some time but for now...
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In this article HT is shown to reduce the amount of draw calls.

http://www.legitreviews.com/looking-at-directx-12-performance-3dmark-api-overhead-feature-test_160936
     
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In this article HT is shown to reduce the amount of draw calls.

http://www.legitreviews.com/looking-at-directx-12-performance-3dmark-api-overhead-feature-test_160936
because DX12 support less cores/threads than 8/16

dx12_performance_simulated_cpus_updated-100575301-large.png
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because DX12 support less cores/threads than 8/16

dx12_performance_simulated_cpus_updated-100575301-large.png


I'm not sure what you are saying by this graph. In the article I linked a 5960X (8 core) was the ONLY chip used and the user started from 1 core enabled to all 8 cores (1 core, 2 cores, 4 cores, 6 cores, 8 cores, 8 cores + HT), and with HT enabled the draw calls are slightly reduced, thus HT reduces draw calls.


EDIT: the only chips that indicate HT improves performance is the 4670K vs the 4770K which are fairly close in GHz speed. This is a good sign. I see what you are saying, and it appears you are correct. Thank you
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I would say save and get 6600K. I have have 2500K and 3570K and finally 3770K hoping to see change in games but other then Crysis 3 HT does not seem to help. For productivity it helps but unless you are rendering all day saving 20% time is not big deal.
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6600k for price efficiency, 6700k for absolute performance in some cases. Mostly you're paying for "up to +20% performance.. some of the time" and it does cost a fair amount more. It's more worth it for a machine that's dedicated to something like rendering/encoding; though for those usages, you'd probably jump straight from the 6600k to the 5820k.
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Umm interesting. I hope this thread gets lots of attention as I plan to build a gaming only rig and convert my existing rig to just general and photography work. So, I am interested in knowing this myself.
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Umm interesting. I hope this thread gets lots of attention as I plan to build a gaming only rig and convert my existing rig to just general and photography work. So, I am interested in knowing this myself.

I have been thinking alot myself , I think I am just going to grab the 6600K and if in the future HT really really is needed for what I use I can always grab one... its not that I don't have the money to get the i7 but I hate spending for stuff I will never gain alot from. Even X99 was in my mind just to have it all but I don't render or have heavy HT programs...

All I use is the adobe suite for graphic design and games and remote support... so I might aswell get the 6600K .

In my opinion its only worth getting the i7 if you really will use the extra 20% like mentioned earlier... and if you do heavy rendering you will go to the x99 anyway... but some people are even saying get the X99 for future and games... but when?? I would like to see the FPS difference in any game, it will give you what 20more frames?
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In my opinion its only worth getting the i7 if you really will use the extra 20% like mentioned earlier

It's not about "using the extra 20%". There are a ton of programs out there that will stretch your CPU to the limits, where you'll be waiting for the CPU to finish a task or to do game simulation before rendering the next frame. It's just that there are a ton of CPU loads that will be 100% CPU bound, yet not benefit at all from Hyperthreading. Only some loads will have performance boosted at all, for those it's usually about +20%.
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With the price gouging going on right now, the 6700K is ~$120 more than the 6600K. That's a nearly 50% price premium. Yes, it will be faster in general, but probably not enough to be justified for most people. My opinion is that now is a pretty bad time to be investing in a high-end system without a very specific use case. Neither X99 nor Z170 is ideally suited for the growing proliferation of GPU and SSD PCIe bandwidth demands, and what will actually be important in games with DX12 and VR still isn't clear. The 6600K is nicely positioned to get you some of the benefits of the newer platform without being so dearly priced that you can't replace it in a few years if something truly compelling happens in the HEDT segment or gaming shifts to significantly benefiting from HT or 6+ cores. Just don't get roped into a $300 motherboard; it isn't worth it for this platform. People are overclocking the 6600K to within a couple hundred MHz of the i7. That's without HT, but for workloads that don't use it it's close enough to make the i7 a really hard sell. An NVMe SSD that's 4-5x faster than SATA seems like a lot more bang-for-the-buck today.
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