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Take into account that this does not factor in blur caused by sample-and-hold, likely because such blur actually occurs in your own vision and not in the panel itself.

And OLED is currently too dim to use strobing to overcome this problem with human vision watching sample and hold displays. The pixel needs to be very bright to be able to leave it off most of the time and still have a bright image.
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And OLED is currently too dim to use strobing to overcome this problem with human vision watching sample and hold displays. The pixel needs to be very bright to be able to leave it off most of the time and still have a bright image.

Well it can be done as seen with the Oculus Rift, it's more likely that LG just feels that the reduction in brightness on their current panels isn't worth it (and obviously the form-factor of the Rift blocks out ambient light so it's not an issue there).
 
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OLED is dim though, they were limited that way due to high currents burning out the structures much faster.
its not like back panel lighting where the LED lights aren't microscopic in size, the leds in OLEDs doesn't even have heatsinks.

the issue at hand is that, OLED is power constrained, it cannot exceed a certain limit of watt per pixel.
and the other issue is that, OLED has poor lumens per watt efficiency, the combined issues results into a dim array.
Edited by epic1337 - 10/3/15 at 1:51pm
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OLED is dim though, they were limited that way due to high currents burning out the structures much faster.
It's not that dim though - for example LG's have been brighter than plasma from the beginning, and every new model is brighter than the last (EF9500 is the newest FYI).

I saw the 55EG9300 in-store a year ago (read: bright environment) and, unlike plasma displays of the past, the thought of the image being dim never even crosses your mind - the brightness of the display just looked normal. I'd say that's pretty good for torch mode + bright store, therefore the brightness should also look quite normal with non-torch mode in a home environment with much more typical light levels.


Lastly, it must be pointed out that LG's white OLED design is more robust than Samsung's RGB OLED design.
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Cool tech demo, but completely pointless until cables and media catch up. We have a 4k TV and it's pretty pointless right now. Very little media actually takes advantage of the increased resolution and when you do the file sizes are massive. Also streaming 4k looks no better than a 1080p blu ray. I'm sorry, but I don't see a reason for this for at least another 5 years.
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What sort of cable interface would one need to power this? I don't think anything we have currently can move that much data around.
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It's not that dim though - for example LG's have been brighter than plasma from the beginning, and every new model is brighter than the last (EF9500 is the newest FYI).

I saw the 55EG9300 in-store a year ago (read: bright environment) and, unlike plasma displays of the past, the thought of the image being dim never even crosses your mind - the brightness of the display just looked normal. I'd say that's pretty good for torch mode + bright store, therefore the brightness should also look quite normal with non-torch mode in a home environment with much more typical light levels.


Lastly, it must be pointed out that LG's white OLED design is more robust than Samsung's RGB OLED design.

well yes they aren't that dim for general purpose use, but using anti-blur features would drop it's inherent brightness by too much.

there had been reviews where LG's OLED screens only has 100cd/m2 ~ 200cd/m2 of brightness, compared to typical 300cd/m2 ~ 400cd/m2 of most high performance monitors and TVs.
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What sort of cable interface would one need to power this? I don't think anything we have currently can move that much data around.
DisplayPort 1.3 with 4:2:0 can do 8k at 60hz, so you can just use two of those or possibly use a single cable with VESA's "visually lossless" compression.
 
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Cool tech demo, but completely pointless until cables and media catch up. We have a 4k TV and it's pretty pointless right now. Very little media actually takes advantage of the increased resolution and when you do the file sizes are massive. Also streaming 4k looks no better than a 1080p blu ray. I'm sorry, but I don't see a reason for this for at least another 5 years.

i see a reason, virtual reality, when you have the screen pressed up next to your face pixel density makes all the difference, even with my s6 1440p i can still see pixels,
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well yes they aren't that dim for general purpose use, but using anti-blur features would drop it's inherent brightness by too much.

there had been reviews where LG's screens only gets 100cd/m2 ~ 200cd/m2 of brightness, compared to typical 300cd/m2 ~ 400cd/m2 of most high performance monitors and TVs.

That review I linked to has actual numbers near the bottom of the page. It's in a table so it's difficult to repost, but here's a screenshot for your convenience.

Remember, this is for the old EG9600 model, not the new EF9500 model (which is better).
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Originally Posted by Flagship OLED and LCD TV Display Technology Shoot-Out @ displaymate.com/TV_OLED_LCD_ShootOut_1.htm 
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