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post #1 of 27
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Hi everybody,

Haven't posted in a while; been pretty busy with college and things. Now that I'm graduated I think it's time for a new desktop computer.

I'm an engineering major that designs and plays games. My most commonly used programs will be Visual Studio, Unity, Photoshop (light use), web browsers and games. I generally don't do modeling, but the ability to view 3D models in Maya without a problem is important to me. I frequently use VMs for productivity, compatibility and security.

I have a couple hundred GB of games that I like to play and a similar amount of music/media. I also have many large project directories. Moving stuff around without lag is useful to me so I'll be only looking at SSDs.

I usually keep my computers somewhat indefinitely, upgrading parts as needed. Last year, I sold my whole computer to a friend, so I'm basically starting from scratch.

Performance is very important to me (I play modern games), and cost is not a huge concern (within reason). I'm not a huge fan of overkill though (I find it embarrassing).

I haven't\ been keeping up with new developments in CPUs/GPUs as much as I used to. Any personal recommendations on motherboards would be greatly appreciated.

What I have so far in a Newegg cart:

CPU: Intel Core i7-6700K
MB: ASUS Z170 PRO GAMING
GPU: EVGA GeForce GTX 970 4GB
RAM: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (4x4) DDR4
SSD: SAMSUNG 850 EVO 1TB
COOL: Corsair H80i GT
PSU: Corsair AX760 Platinum PSU
CASE: Antec 302 (love these cases so this one is relatively non-negotiable)
ODD: ASUS DVD burner

I also have a couple Gentle Typhoons lying around that I'll switch out for the stock fans. I also have a 840 EVO 500GB drive lying around.

Also looking for an SSD adapter that can handle both SSDs.

edit: I also have a SAMSUNG syncmaster 24" but am looking for monitor reccomendations (I at least want a second monitor). Possibly with G-SYNC

Suggest away and thanks in advance
Edited by imblind - 10/3/15 at 4:38am
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post #2 of 27
The Corsair AX series is a ripoff and the EVGA SuperNova G2/P2 are both better and cheaper and have a longer warranty.
760 watt is also way overkill for that system its even overkill if you are going to add another GTX 970 later, a good 450 watt PSU could power that system as it is now and a 650 watt if you want to add another GTX 970 later.

Stay away from Corsair they are way overpriced and there are better options for less money out there.

The CPU cooler you picked is not very good and you would be far better off with a good air cooler instead.
Its going to be cheaper its going to be better its going to be more quiet and its going to be way more reliable.

What speed are those RAM?
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post #3 of 27
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Thanks for the suggestions. Just a couple questions/comments:

1. As I said, I keep many parts of my systems for many upgrade cycles. I usually use a 650 watt PSU, but I thought there wasn't a big downside to over-sizing a bit (a couple points of efficiency at worst). I may add a second GPU (or a different set of GPUs) down the line, so I wouldn't generally go below 650 watt (I beleive these PSUs function most efficiently at around 50% usage). I had a lot of success with my old AX650 PSU, is there any evidence you can provide that the EVGA is better? I don't mind forking out 20 bucks for a brand I trust unless there's a compelling reason to choose a different one.

2. I used to have an H80 (not i) and thought its performance was very good. Is there a better brand to be looking at? I also like knowing that the cooler will fit in an Antec 302 (my H80 fit snugly inside my Antec 300). The Antec case isn't so high-tech, so I like using a water cooler to ensure that it vents correctly.

3. The Ram is DDR4 2400 (PC4 19200). I've never seen RAM affect any benchmark significantly (except on integrated graphics), so I just picked the cheapest option. Any reason to do differently?

edit: tbh, I have no proof that the H80i will fit in Antec 302, only the related evidence that my H80 fits in an Antec 300
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post #4 of 27
About every review ever made about the EVGA SuperNova G2 shows its better so this is not something new.
700-750 watts comparison thread
850/860 watts comparison thread

And in case you where not already aware EVGA does not make any of the PSU´s they sell nor does Corsair / Cooler Master / NZXT / OCZ / Be Quiet and pretty every brand out there, its all made by an OEM in china making the brand pretty much pointless its not made by the brand that sells it.

So you cant go by brand thats the same thing as buying a car based on what color it has or in other words pretty useless.
You can find info on almost everything you want to know here
PSU index thread

Corsair is way too overpriced you can get much better for less money then Corsair these days.

Next AIO coolers are overrated overhyped and overpriced and air coolers can do the same job or better for less money and it will make less noise doing it and last longer.
So forget about AIO coolers there is no reason to buy one unless your case is too small for a decent air cooler, they are a stupid fashion gimmick that have gone too far.

A Noctua NH-U14S can go head to head with a Corsair H100i yet its $35 cheaper and way more quiet, take the Noctua NH-U12S that one will beat the Corsair H80i and is again $25 cheaper and way more quiet.
It would be stupid to pay more to get something that is worse.

And as i said Skylake / Z170 can and does make use of faster RAM so 2666 MHz is a little bit faster.
Edited by shilka - 10/3/15 at 5:24am
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post #5 of 27
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Looks like the PSU suggestion checks out. How about this one?

I'm also leaning towards agreement on the CPU cooler. Is there any question of mounting compatibility with 1151 or can I assume it's the same as previous sockets?

Is there any way to know if it will fit in the case?

I will always remain skeptical about RAM speeds. I looked up a quick benchmark article, and it seems like minimal performance gains are still true for skylake. Do you have a link to the benchmarks you're mentioning?

Any suggestions of Skylake vs Haswell-E would also be appreciated
Edited by imblind - 10/3/15 at 5:39am
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Quote:
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Looks like the PSU suggestion checks out. How about this one?

I'm also leaning towards agreement on the CPU cooler. Is there any question of mounting compatibility with 1151 or can I assume it's the same as previous sockets?

Is there any way to know if it will fit in the case?
Not sure if you are aware or not but platinum does not mean its better, 80 plus is efficiency it has nothing to do with quality rated output or stability thats a misunderstanding and/or misconception.
Platinum is only really worth it if you live in a place where power costs a lot and you want to save money or if you have your PC loaded 24/7, the G2 and P2 is pretty much the same PSU in all areas other then the P2 have 2% better efficiency.

If you dont care about that you can save a little bit and get a G2 instead of a P2 but thats up to you.

As for the cooler the mounting system for LGA 1156/1155/1150/1151 is the same so if it says it can do one of them it can fit on all of them.

As for your case it says its 22,9 cm wide so i am pretty sure you can have any air cooler that is lower then 165mm in there.
As you can see you can fit the Be Quiet Dark Rock which is 163mm tall in there with no problems


The Noctua NH-U12S is 158mm high and the Noctua NH-U14S is 165mm high so they should be able to fit, the bigest Noctua air cooler the NH-D15 an NH-D15S are also 165mm high.
Edited by shilka - 10/3/15 at 5:46am
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The i7 is a good choice for the work you do... the more cores the better. If you run several virtual machines at a time and don't game all that much, you might even want to look at a Xeon or Haswell-e system, i.e. getting more cores. But, if you do game a lot, that i7 is a good balance for your work type.

I would also consider getting your 16gb of ram in a 2x8gb configuration. That way you will still have 2 open slots to upgrade to 32gb if you wish down the road. For the work you do or may do as you progress in your education, 16gb of ram is great, but having 32gb to allocate for that type of work isn't a bad idea either. It's not something you may need now, but having the open slots gives you the choice down the road.

As recommended above, get a nice quiet Noctua cooler. With your workload, you probably shouldn't be overclocking anyway. Stability is the name of the game here. I would also budget for a small UPS (uninterruptible power supply). You don't want an unexpected power outage cuase you to lose a valuable project.
post #8 of 27
If its a PC meant for work i would go with X99 as you get CPU´s with more cores on that platform as well as the ability to have much more RAM.
On the other hand X99 dont care about RAM speeds as much as Z170 does so higher then 2666 MHz is not really worth it with X99.

Its alo better to have fewer sticks of RAM but with more space on them so if you go with X99 dont buy 8x RAM sticks get 4x with more space instead.
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I am aware of the meaning of 80 Plus certifications. Efficiency is important to me more as a lifestyle choice than a technical one (I try to buy efficient appliances when there is no obvious downside). It also means slightly lower heat which means lower noise and higher reliability (not a huge difference, but hey).

Thanks for all the info about air coolers. If you had your choice of all of them, which is the single best performing? Can I do better fan-wise than my Gentle Typhoon Ap-14s?
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I am aware of the meaning of 80 Plus certifications. Efficiency is important to me more as a lifestyle choice than a technical one (I try to buy efficient appliances when there is no obvious downside). It also means slightly lower heat which means lower noise and higher reliability (not a huge difference, but hey).

Thanks for all the info about air coolers. If you had your choice of all of them, which is the single best performing? Can I do better fan-wise than my Gentle Typhoon Ap-14s?
The Noctua NH-D15 is one of the best if not the best air cooler out there but its huge and it can cause problems with X99 due to the fact that it sticks out over both the top PCI-E slot and the RAM slots.
The RAM is not a problem as Noctua has made space under it for super tall RAM but the PCI-E is a bit of a problem.

They have a new version of the NH-D15 called NH-D15S which is asymmetric so you no longer have that problem.
As you can see


But if you are not going to overclock something like the smaller Noctua NH-U12S or NH-U14S are good enough.
I have a NH-U12S on my old Core I7 3820 (X79) CPU and my temps have never gone above 62c on my CPU.

Last the fans you get with the cooler are some of the best fans around so its a waste of time to replace the fans on the cooler itself.
Or did you mean the fans in the case?
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