Originally Posted by Cybertox
Making an affordable enthusiast CPUs line-up better than the one of Intel is not impossible, just requires things that AMD doesnt have or isnt capable of doing. AMD wasnt even able to beat Nvidia despite having an an entirely new architecture and newest HBM technology. While I am pretty sure that Pascal is going to be a significant leap in performance even though it will use a later HBM generation. It sounds like I am bashing AMD but the truth is that since the 2XX series, AMD has been going downhill. Took ages to release a new line-up which didnt even meet expectations and ended up being as good as that times current Nvidia GPUs. The only benefit is the cheaper price and smaller cards, performance is on par if not worse as mentioned previously. So I wouldnt be surprised if the the situation with the upcoming CPUs is going to have the same fate. AMD is welcome to prove me wrong with their upcoming Zen but I really doubt that will happen.
I'm sorry, what? Fiji is very much the same GCN as in Tahiti even in name; just with clock gating, improved ROPs and new memory. It's very much not a new architecture by any definition. Even the 200-series is only a bit over an year old, and it's rather obvious they didn't bother creating several new chips on 28nm when they would just lose money by doing it compared to keeping the rebrands.
And don't get me wrong, I'm by no means saying that Zen will the faster than Skylake or whateverlake it will be up against. Having a smaller core that is withing a spitting distance with most instructions and still smaller is advantage in itself. While having faster threads is nice there is something to be said for power and die sizes if your cores as, say, 20% smaller and practically at the same level. The worst thing they could do is go straight head-to-head with Intel with a massive core, against Skylake which they have spent howevermany billion perfecting on a very good process node.