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I'll start allowing government to listen in and see what I'm doing only AFTER all politicians have their home and office computers recorded and put up on a website so WE can monitor what they do and say with regards to their job 24/7. Until such time, government has no business on what I do without FIRST getting a warrant ... and I am under no obligation to make life easy for government, they on the other hand, are supposed to cater to us, not the other way around.

VPN's and TOR for life! thumb.gif
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I claim honeypot.
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History is littered with people who rolled over when tyranny arrived at their doorstep, because they had "nothing to hide."

I have nothing to hide, and I use TOR.

Because it's nobody's business to check my papers to confirm I have nothing to hide. You will take my word for it, and go on your way.

Unless, of course, the NSA wants to show me their papers, to prove they have nothing to hide. That's only fair.
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Isn't NSA stuff like almost hardwired in everything?

even in motherboards bio's from what i have read biggrin.gif
    
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Our greatest danger isn't the governments as much as it is the naive masses that allow them to exist. There are way too many people that don't see the dangers. They have no issues with Patriot Act, drones, google, windows 10, etc...

The governments don't scare me nearly as much as these people. They think you are some 'conspiracy theorists'... well no, history says it not a good idea. Our (USA) founding fathers knew it and wrote about it. When Iraq was creating a constitution, I don't know why we didn't give them ours. We sure aren't using it.

Gotta go now, a black Suburban just drove past the house. biggrin.gif
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Gotta go now, a black Suburban just drove past the house. biggrin.gif

Only worry when they stop out in front of your place, late at night.......
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Most of us don't.

But it's the principle... you just don't spy at everyone! I guess you don't spy your neighbours?! See, so why should they spy on us?!

I don't give a ... if they spy on anyone of who they think has bad/criminal ideas or stuff to do.

But don't spy on a "normal" person like us...

Only use it if the person they want to spy has a criminal record or via their contacts, spy on them.

I was being sarcastic.

Wire tapping should be done the way it was done for decades prior to 2001, through a court and now the rubber stamping kangaroo courts we have now.
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To find out who is a terrorist, they first need to find such a person by spying on everyone else.

The problem with spying is how far it will go. It exists now for the DOD, NSA, CIA, Homeland Security, probably FBI to spot and avert terrorist attacks and capture major big-time criminal activities. Most people in America are fine with it, but how long before they decide that spying on terrorists is not enough? How long before local police department can tap into such spying networks to prevent small-time crime locally? And afterwards? Spy on teenagers private conversations to make sure they don't use pot? How long before internet spying is not considered enough and they decide to put mandatory cameras in people's houses? How long before they decide what we cannot post online or say over telephone? Such progress and changes do not happen over night, but over many many years - policy by policy, law by law, etc. and eventually you get 1984 in 2050 or whenever.

The only way to fight it now is to make masses pretend they are terrorists

You mean we get to 1984 in about 2001? Let's forget the Patriot Act and how the FBI are the worlds largest terrorist group, it's politically incorrect. You are years late with saying they need to pretend the masses are terrorists. The FBI consider war veterans, people who speak quietly, loudly, cough, use cash, coins, miss a finger as terrorists.

Thus, the USA has a longer list of things they consider terrorist than North Korea does. In what kind of country or society do you see someone missing a finger as a terrorist? One so free I'm not brave enough to live there.
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Just to get an idea, how many of you browse through TOR or proxy? I don't want to sound like a N-S/A supporter, but if you use one, you probably have something to hide; like I said, I'm not a supporter, and I do like my privacy also. Never really had a reason to go to that level yet, anyway. That might change for me in the future.

Nice double speak. You want your privacy then say anyone who uses TOR (those who care about their privacy even if it's an illusion) or a proxy has something to hide.

People don't use proxies as a measure of privacy, they use it to bypass firewalls, blocks or to route more efficiently. I use a proxy not just because Youtube is blocked but because sometimes my proxy routes my traffic more efficiently. According to you I'm a better-route-and-lower-ping-terrorist rolleyes.gif
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even in motherboards bio's from what i have read biggrin.gif

And USA made routers, which is why China is pushing for Chinese brand routers to be used.
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Everyone has the right to be private .. Proxys are used in company so are secure tunneling VPNS.

People and businesses should be allowed to have secure private connections .

Free proxy tools like this generally okay but have issues ... All your data is going through someone else's infrastructure .. god knows what they are doing to your traffic .

TOR was indeed created by the military how ever a lot of people even russia is having a hard time dealing with it .
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To find out who is a terrorist, they first need to find such a person by spying on everyone else.

Not always. Some guy got arrested here today because he posted threats on Facebook.
    
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