Originally Posted by ASUSfreak
Most of us don't.
But it's the principle... you just don't spy at everyone! I guess you don't spy your neighbours?! See, so why should they spy on us?!
I don't give a ... if they spy on anyone of who they think has bad/criminal ideas or stuff to do.
But don't spy on a "normal" person like us...
Only use it if the person they want to spy has a criminal record or via their contacts, spy on them.
I was being sarcastic.
Wire tapping should be done the way it was done for decades prior to 2001, through a court and now the rubber stamping kangaroo courts we have now.
Originally Posted by MonarchX
To find out who is a terrorist, they first need to find such a person by spying on everyone else.
The problem with spying is how far it will go. It exists now for the DOD, NSA, CIA, Homeland Security, probably FBI to spot and avert terrorist attacks and capture major big-time criminal activities. Most people in America are fine with it, but how long before they decide that spying on terrorists is not enough? How long before local police department can tap into such spying networks to prevent small-time crime locally? And afterwards? Spy on teenagers private conversations to make sure they don't use pot? How long before internet spying is not considered enough and they decide to put mandatory cameras in people's houses? How long before they decide what we cannot post online or say over telephone? Such progress and changes do not happen over night, but over many many years - policy by policy, law by law, etc. and eventually you get 1984 in 2050 or whenever.
The only way to fight it now is to make masses pretend they are terrorists
You mean we get to 1984 in about 2001? Let's forget the Patriot Act and how the FBI are the worlds largest terrorist group, it's politically incorrect. You are years late with saying they need to pretend the masses are terrorists. The FBI consider war veterans, people who speak quietly, loudly, cough, use cash, coins, miss a finger as terrorists.
Thus, the USA has a longer list of things they consider terrorist than North Korea does. In what kind of country or society do you see someone missing a finger as a terrorist? One so free I'm not brave enough to live there.
Originally Posted by bucdan
Just to get an idea, how many of you browse through TOR or proxy? I don't want to sound like a N-S/A supporter, but if you use one, you probably have something to hide; like I said, I'm not a supporter, and I do like my privacy also. Never really had a reason to go to that level yet, anyway. That might change for me in the future.
Nice double speak. You want your privacy then say anyone who uses TOR (those who care about their privacy even if it's an illusion) or a proxy has something to hide.
People don't use proxies as a measure of privacy, they use it to bypass firewalls, blocks or to route more efficiently. I use a proxy not just because Youtube is blocked but because sometimes my proxy routes my traffic more efficiently. According to you I'm a better-route-and-lower-ping-terrorist
Originally Posted by caenlen
even in motherboards bio's from what i have read
And USA made routers, which is why China is pushing for Chinese brand routers to be used.Edited by Liranan - 10/6/15 at 9:52pm