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Originally Posted by chrisnyc75 View Post

I'm guessing the "twice as fast" claim is based on the highest end Surface Book, which I'd wager has the new gtx 980 for laptops in it. It seems rather coincidental that nvidia just a week or two ago announced the first ever full x80 for laptops (as opposed to x80m) just before MS announced this new Surface. And while the SB reportedly starts at $1499, I'm sure with an i7 & 980 in it it's twice that much.

Still, with a skylake i7 + gtx 980 you'd essentially have a tablet/notebook device that's every bit as powerful as any desktop pc that has come before it. Even at a high price, that's no small feat.



This is the price of the i5 w/ dGPU.
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post #132 of 260
So...

What is the difference between SP4 and Book... This individual can't see the difference here...

If i'm going to grab to grab one of them, i'm gonna grab the one which i can use PS with for drawing and note-taking purposes. I don't need another laptop TBH, since i'm the member of GLORIOUS MASTER RACE
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https://www.squaretrade.com/htm/pdf/SquareTrade_laptop_reliability_1109.pdf

Add in that they compete with apple on reliability and there are alot more cheaper laptops thrown into the mix which likely sacrifice quality for price, and Asus is doing very well.

I have to wonder how relevant in Q4 2015 that report is, seeing it was compiled in 2009 using models from the prior three years. The closest relation to anything on the shelf today is the original unibody Macbook Pro, which I can't imagine is selling in any appreciable volume today since it was formally discontinued two years ago (2013-10-22 according to Wikipedia).
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So...

What is the difference between SP4 and Book... This individual can't see the difference here...

http://www.theverge.com/2015/10/6/9461569/microsoft-surface-book-feature-comparison-ipad-macbook-surface-pro-4

Handy spec table there.
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Originally Posted by Alvarez View Post

So...

What is the difference between SP4 and Book... This individual can't see the difference here...

If i'm going to grab to grab one of them, i'm gonna grab the one which i can use PS with for drawing and note-taking purposes. I don't need another laptop TBH, since i'm the member of GLORIOUS MASTER RACE

Well Book is more of a Laptop while the Pro is a Tablet. Both can do the same thing but Pro has more battery life and is not depended on the Keyboard dock. Book will probably be faster. I would personally wait for reviews before you pull the trigger. I personally would buy the Book but i would have to wait for second generation. Dont really like the way it closes.

As far as price goes. SP4 -> i5/8GB/256GB/Keyboard -> 1430, Book with i5/8GB/128GB will be $1500. Yes you get less space but ~ 200 you get a better device. If you are not doing crazy stuff then i5/4GB/128GB SP4 gets my vote for $1000 + $130 Keyboard.
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This surface book has the potential to be that product. It seems like a product that has the potential to be immediately better than a macbook pro, particularly for engineers and artists. If they priced this along the lines of the macbook pro instead of above it and changed the default memory to 256gb, they could really force Windows manufactures to be better or lower the price of their laptops. Microsoft has to realize that PC manufactures are almost 100% reliant on windows. They cannot start making apple's pcs and the chromebook market is something else, which means they can afford to piss off PC makers and lower their margins. In turn, this is ultimately more profitable for them because higher volume among pc manufactures means greater software sales. High margins on nice windows laptops only serve to dent microsofts growth of software adoption and let apple steal marketshare or curb people to spending their money on tablets/phones.

Microsoft needs to make the surface line better/better priced to make windows a more attractive options and for people to start buying computers again over phones/tablets.

I couldn't quite figure out if you were agreeing or disagreeing with me (lol!), but just for the record the above bit is exactly what I was saying to begin with, I agree 100%.
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So...

What is the difference between SP4 and Book... This individual can't see the difference here...

If i'm going to grab to grab one of them, i'm gonna grab the one which i can use PS with for drawing and note-taking purposes. I don't need another laptop TBH, since i'm the member of GLORIOUS MASTER RACE

The short version?

The keyboard. At the high end, the graphics.
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Two things that absolutely set Macbooks apart form their PC brethren are their touchpads and the quality of their support. Laugh all you want at the "Geniuses" at the store, but the few times I have needed Apple support (broken mute switch on an iPhone I had for 4 months and to replace a battery on my 2011 MBP that had worn down from being plugged in for... forever) they have been absolutely hassle-free.

Never tried buying directly from MS? Their support works very well. And you'll get TWO years of warranty for these things, not just one.
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Do you have any hard data to support any of your claims or is this just more anti-apple shilling?
Two things that absolutely set Macbooks apart form their PC brethren are their touchpads and the quality of their support. Laugh all you want at the "Geniuses" at the store, but the few times I have needed Apple support (broken mute switch on an iPhone I had for 4 months and to replace a battery on my 2011 MBP that had worn down from being plugged in for... forever) they have been absolutely hassle-free. While you're right in that, really, processors/memory are no different from PCs, I am hard pressed to find something from a PC manufacturer that can tick all the boxes I like. Sure, there are more powerful laptops, lighter laptops, cheaper laptops... but there are too many sacrifices to be made when deviating from a Macbook Pro. Now, hold on a second -- I do still have a pair of Surface Pro 3s and I think the XPS 13 is, by and large, the closest thing a PC manufacturer has to a perfect laptop (fix the trackpad, and it would be perfect), so don't consider this post as some preachy, Apple-bandwagon love fest, but rather a subjective opinion based on experience.
I will agree that Apple has phenomenal support. When I had a problem with my iPhone 4 they just swapped it for a new one right then and there.
I wasn't trying to say that an $800 laptop can match the quality of a $2500 mbp, but I feel there are $1500-1700 laptops that will perform just as good, and the biggest difference between the two is the screen. Yes the form factor on mbp is smaller, and people seem to be raving about the touch pad (seriously people use them? What happened to mice). But I was referring to a more over all state of the hardware. I can find an ASUS ROG with extra storage space, for $700 less, and a video card worth having, and had an optical drive (not that it is really even needed much these days). Everything else hardware wise, with the exception of the screen is on par with the mbp. The extra weight doesn't bother me in the slightest, but I guess it does for others.
Is the screen and the "amazazing touch pad" worth the extra money? To me, no. To some, I guess. It's their money, they can spend it how they want.
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