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I dont believe the mb would be compatible with a 6 core. I'm trying to keep the case and mobo Dell as a chalenge.

Manual for your computer only lists 4X CPUs.
If this is a computer you plan on using for awhile, then get the 965 and sell off the Athlon II X4

Whatever graphics card you get now might be overkill for the CPU, but it would still work to some degree.
and you can always take the graphics card with you to whatever computer you build in the future.
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I'm using the athlonII 635 at stock speed.
It's really only sufficient for call-of-duty level of game. Gonna retire this rig in a few weeks.

Not worth the money to change that CPU and stuff , the capacitors on the old motherboard may want to give up it's life.
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Actually i found a very awesome thread (Dell forums) on my same motherboard and case. With a bios update, i can install the phenom ii x4 965 BE, i can oc it and i can install 16gb of 1600. Several can oc to 3.9ghz stable and 4ghz on this board and have been for 2 years. I also found out that Dell used an intel backplate on this amd board thats compatible with intel only cpu heatsinnk/fans

Getting excited here... lol
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I dont believe the mb would be compatible with a 6 core. I'm trying to keep the case and mobo Dell as a chalenge.

If you can't run a X6, such as the 1055T mentioned earlier, then you should definitely opt for the 965, no question. Even if you can't overclock it whatsoever on the Dell board, you would want to get the best that you can for that platform, for use in conjunction with the GTX 960.

Hopefully you could get a mild FSB OC out of it, CPU multi on that board is probably locked. Otherwise you always have K10Stat.
Nope, a stock 965 is definitely going to bottleneck. I have/had an Inspiron 546 with that same Athlon, I tried the same thing you did too except I bought the GPU first (770). That bottlenecked pretty bad which caused a lot of stuttering and very low minimums. I figured if I downgraded the GPU I could actually get a smoother experience, so I tried a 270X. BIG mistake, this bottlenecked SO BAD it was actually impressive. The cores were nearly constantly pegged at 95-99%. I got a new motherboard to overclock it and clocked it to 3.6GHz. CORES STILL AT 95-99%. Yes there was a massive improvement, but it still stuttered horribly. AMD drivers have massive CPU overhead, so don't bother using an AMD CPU and GPU at the same time since they work against each other.

I finally decided to get a Phenom II X6 1090t and try that out, which is essentially the same as the Phenom II X4 series but with two more cores. I switched back to my 770 as well. At stock, the 1090t was hitting 90-95%. Not much improvement. BUT, after I OC'd to 4.1GHz I was able to get my GPU hitting 99% most of the time! There are still many times where it bottlenecks, and some simulator games are just completely unplayable. Arma 3 gets less than 20fps on low settings. But I don't play Arma 3, and most of the simulator games I do play like Kerbal Space Program are OK for the most part, only choking bad during explosions etc.

So the answer to your question is YES a 965 will do the job, BUT ONLY IF you can overclock it to 4+GHz. Otherwise, your only option is to part it out and build a Pentium anniversary edition with the profits that performs insanely better. thumb.gif

Here's a 965 for $62 http://www.ebay.com/itm/Free-Shipping-AMD-Phenom-II-X4-965-CPU-Black-Edition-HDZ965FBK4DGM-AM3-Unlocked-/181892669080?hash=item2a59a5de98
Here's a 960T for $62 as well. Although it is a "lower model" it is actually newer so it may be a little more efficient. www.ebay.com/itm/AMD-Phenom-II-X4-960T-HD96ZTWFK4DGR-3GHz-Quad-Core-CPU-Processor-Socket-AM3-/271985704260?hash=item3f539c7d44
I recommend checking reddit.com/r/hardwareswap and OCN Marketplace first. You could check Amazon as well to see what used ones are listed. A 955 and up should be fine.

As for a motherboard, Gigabyte is the best bang for the buck when it comes to AM2+ AM3.

Now you must make a choice. Stay on DDR2? Or switch to DDR3?
8GB of 800MHz DDR2 can be had for as little as $14!!!!! on ebay. http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-8GB-KIT-2x4GB-PC2-6400-DDR2-800MHZ-240pin-DIMM-Memory-AMD-CPU-Motherboard-/281696842460?hash=item419670b2dc
Unfortunately, that's CAS 6, which for DDR2 is garbage. Most Chinese DDR2 800 can run 4-4-4-12 no problem. But, If you want to do this as cheap as possible, then get the $14 RAM. If you only want 4GB then get two of these 2GB 1066MHz 5-5-5-18 1.8v and put then at 4-4-4-12 2.0v. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Free-Shipping-Corsair-2GB-DDR2-800MHz-Desktop-Memory-RAM-CM2X2048-6400C5-1-8V-/171853392979?hash=item280342ac53 That would run you $39 though which is really not worth it considering you can get 8GB of 1600MHz DDR3 8-9-9-24 for the same price.

I'd deciding for you. You're getting DDR3. biggrin.gif

I'll work on finding a good AM3 DDR3 motherboard for you that can overclock but isn't expensive. I should be able to find something excellent around $40...

EDIT: Forgot links...
Edited by cookieboyeli - 10/6/15 at 10:54pm
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The thread I mentioned earlier (about my Inspiron 570 at dell forums) was started in February 2013. It's still going today. I have a great build already as you can see in my profile. This is just a project on an old dell that was given to me. I have no interest in building a new machine or changing the mobo. I want to max this old gem, which btw, when it first came out, Dell stated it would only handle 8GBs of 1066 memory. With bios update, it can handle 16GBs of 1600. The mobo can oc the cpu. Im doing this for fun. If it bottlenecks, ok. lol. But, my original question here was answered. I will get the 965be and oc it preparing the way for a gtx960 4GB. Fun factor is high right now. tongue.gif
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i have that 960T paired with a 7950. in games like BF3 MP 64 . . . i normally unlock the two cores(yes, some can be unlocked) and it helps.

4 cores



6 cores



they both play BF3 maxed using 1080 but with 4 cores . . . it can get laggy during huge fights.
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i have that 960T paired with a 7950. in games like BF3 MP 64 . . . i normally unlock the two cores(yes, some can be unlocked) and it helps.

4 cores



6 cores



they both play BF3 maxed using 1080 but with 4 cores . . . it can get laggy during huge fights.
Yes Battlefield is definitely a title I would highly recommend a 6 core over a 4 core, but honestly that game is so CPU heavy I don't recommend AMD at all for it. I'm ditching my FX-6350 at 4.6GHz because it still bottlenecks in BF4. Then again I'm running 96Hz 1440p. When it bottlenecks it doesn't drop below 60fps, so perhaps this will work for you.

As for the motherboard, I've been looking at chipsets and realized I made a horrible mistake buying the 700 series when I did it, as only the 800 series and up have SATA III and USB 3.0!
It seems ASUS make some quality boards for this chipset as well, so I'll see what they have to offer VS Gigabyte. ASUS tends to use higher quality components and have a MUCH more robust UEFI that will actually help you clock things higher. Especially RAM. If you could get 1866MHz RAM instead of 1600MHz you'd get a few % gain right there. thumb.gif
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Yes Battlefield is definitely a title I would highly recommend a 6 core over a 4 core, but honestly that game is so CPU heavy I don't recommend AMD at all for it. I'm ditching my FX-6350 at 4.6GHz because it still bottlenecks in BF4. Then again I'm running 96Hz 1440p. When it bottlenecks it doesn't drop below 60fps, so perhaps this will work for you.

As for the motherboard, I've been looking at chipsets and realized I made a horrible mistake buying the 700 series when I did it, as only the 800 series and up have SATA III and USB 3.0!
It seems ASUS make some quality boards for this chipset as well, so I'll see what they have to offer VS Gigabyte. ASUS tends to use higher quality components and have a MUCH more robust UEFI that will actually help you clock things higher. Especially RAM. If you could get 1866MHz RAM instead of 1600MHz you'd get a few % gain right there. thumb.gif

i am a believer of raising rez will shift the burden to the gpu or gpus. at a certain point. the cpu oc/strenght will still matter in any case. i experienced the same with my i7 with crossfire 290s. for awhile at 1080, then at 4K.
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Dont think my old mobo can unlock cores. Question
Can it be unlocked from another mobo that supports it and then placed on my board as unlocked? Is that how it works? Or does each motherboard have to unlock it period?
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Yes Battlefield is definitely a title I would highly recommend a 6 core over a 4 core, but honestly that game is so CPU heavy I don't recommend AMD at all for it. I'm ditching my FX-6350 at 4.6GHz because it still bottlenecks in BF4. Then again I'm running 96Hz 1440p. When it bottlenecks it doesn't drop below 60fps, so perhaps this will work for you.

As for the motherboard, I've been looking at chipsets and realized I made a horrible mistake buying the 700 series when I did it, as only the 800 series and up have SATA III and USB 3.0!
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Well yes it does put more burden on the GPUs, but that doesn't take any work away from the CPU, it just gives it a little more to process from GPU driver overhead.

Phenom CPU's can run on the 900 series chipset too which has a faster northbridge Hypettransport, etc. So you could actually get an ASUS Crosshair V Formula Z 990FX motherboard and clock this thing to the moon lol biggrin.gif
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Asus-Crosshair-V-Formula-Republic-of-Gamers-AM3-plus-AMD-Motherboard-/281818967654?hash=item419db82e66 $125 not bad. a few months ago I couldn't find them below $160. That's actually an amazing sale. Id' buy it right now if it weren't for the fact that I'm already using one as I type! EDIT: It's because this is Crosshair V Formula NOT Z

The CVFZ is without a doubt the best AMD motherboard in existence. I was able to get my CPU 200MHz higher than I could using a Asrock 990FX Extreme9 or a Gigabyte 990FXA-UD3. I can also overclock my Memory from 1866 8-9-9-24 1.65v to 2133 9-11-11-28 1.76v. I can go to 2200MHz with 1.82v and higher timings, but I'm happy with this and I don't want to push my luck too much. ASUS is the only brand that has DRAM Drive Strength settings too, which added 200MHz to my max memory OC.

This is WAY overkill for a 4 core though. My 6 core draws 230 watts, this is the only motherboard that can handle it. Even if you get a 960t and unlock it this is probably still overkill. I'll find a lower tier ASUS motherboard with good components... what's your max budget for the motherboard? $80 $60 $40? (Please don't say $40) tongue.gif
Edited by cookieboyeli - 10/6/15 at 11:34pm
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