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What is causing this high memory usage?

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Is Windows 7 not releasing memory after processes have closed, mainly Internet Explorer and a Minecraft Server? Clearly the process list in tasks manager doesn't reflect the memory usage. I checked Resource Monitor and it is also reporting the exact same information.


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When I see this, I always have to ask this question first: when was the last time you restarted Windows (or shut it down)? 8 days and 18 hours ago? Am I seeing that right? I mean, I think that 8:18:32:35 means, "8 Days, 18 hours, 32 minutes and 35 seconds". If so, then that's the problem. Windows should be restarted or shut down like once per day at least. You might be able to get away with it on a very stable dedicated server, but even home servers need to be restarted once in a while. I feel that every kind of computer should be completely restarted on a regular basis.


Edited by TwoCables - 10/8/15 at 11:07am
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Last time I restarted Windows was about a week ago. I am pretty sure you are seeing that correctly.
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Last time I restarted Windows was about a week ago. I am pretty sure you are seeing that correctly.

 

I may have ninja-edited you by adding more and more to my post above, but a computer like this should be completely restarted about once per day, if not once every other day at least. The longer you wait, the worse things like this get. It's just the way it is. That's why you're having this memory usage. Restart the computer and everything will be good - and then remember to restart on a very regular basis, several times per week.

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I agree with TwoCables. I instruct everyone in my household to shut down all Windows boxes when they are not in use. Saves on power and resolves a lot of issue. I also have a minecraft server, but it's running of off a Ubuntu Server. That get's restarted once a week just out of habit.
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Now, I realize that this is a Minecraft Server, but even so, it should be restarted very regularly.

 

 

Edit: So have you restarted yet? I mean, what are you doing at the moment? I'm constantly seeing in your profile things like "Last Online: 10 seconds ago", "Last Online: 5 seconds ago", "Last Online: 2 seconds ago", "Last Online: 15 seconds ago", "Last Online: just now", "Last Online: 30 seconds ago", "Last Online: 8 seconds ago", etc. I've been seeing this non-stop for about the past 15 or 20 minutes, so I'm kinda wondering what you're doing.

 

Edit #2: I can't really stick around much longer here. I have things around the house that need to be done.


Edited by TwoCables - 10/8/15 at 11:35am
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Usually, I can go without a restart on my computer for about 4 to 6 months which is usually the time programs stop functioning correctly. I try to avoid restarts as much as possible but I guess I'll be restarting it. This also isn't my main computer. I only ever run 4 programs on that computer, usually only 3 are running. Everything else is done on a computer with significantly more RAM. Today, I simply opened up 1 webpage in internet explorer, waited for a few hours, and then closed it.

This computer somehow has serious memory issues that isn't present in my laptop which has a significantly lower page file size, 1GB less usable RAM and is running the same version of Windows. Somehow on this computer, Internet Explorer (only Facebook loaded) and the Minecraft Server is all it takes to use up enough RAM to cause Windows to warn me about high memory usage.
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You could try a program like Process Explorer or something to get some more detailed information. It could be Windows caching a bunch of your memory for your GPU, but normally your "available" number should be a lot higher.

Your "commit" is at 15/15 GB and you also have over 780,000 handles which if I remember correctly means that you have 15 GB of available "memory" between your RAM and page file and it's currently all being allocated. I have a sneaking feeling that you have opened and closed a lot of programs, server instances, etc. or have some buggy drivers or programs with big memory leaks. What can happen is the program can allocated memory which takes it away from the available memory, but if it's not using it directly, it might not report that the program is using that much memory.

The default task manager isn't exactly the best at showing this stuff.



I would highly recommend a restart and increase your page file size.

It definitely seems like a lot of your memory wasn't released properly by different programs, or background programs and services that are still open. It could very well be the Minecraft Server you are running. If you just close that when you are near max memory usage, does it drop off significantly? What about Internet Explorer, go in to task manager and end all the Internet Explorer tasks. Sometimes it leaves one open even after you close the main window.



As a point of reference, I have a workstation at work that stays on for days at a time with large files loaded that runs a couple production web servers and 3D CAD applications. It has 12 GB of RAM and a 32 GB page file. Currently it's sitting at:
- Total 12271 MB
- Cached 6479 MB
- Available 6466 MB
- Handles 78,436
- Threads 1394
- Processes 103
- Uptime 5 days, 22 hours
- Commit 6 / 43 GB

It also decides to cache 5879 MB to the Video Card which is also hard to tell the actual values of in Windows with the basic built in tools.
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You could try a program like Process Explorer or something to get some more detailed information. It could be Windows caching a bunch of your memory for your GPU, but normally your "available" number should be a lot higher.

Your "commit" is at 15/15 GB and you also have over 780,000 handles which if I remember correctly means that you have 15 GB of available "memory" between your RAM and page file and it's currently all being allocated. I have a sneaking feeling that you have opened and closed a lot of programs, server instances, etc. or have some buggy drivers or programs with big memory leaks. What can happen is the program can allocated memory which takes it away from the available memory, but if it's not using it directly, it might not report that the program is using that much memory.

The default task manager isn't exactly the best at showing this stuff.



I would highly recommend a restart and increase your page file size.

It definitely seems like a lot of your memory wasn't released properly by different programs, or background programs and services that are still open. It could very well be the Minecraft Server you are running. If you just close that when you are near max memory usage, does it drop off significantly? What about Internet Explorer, go in to task manager and end all the Internet Explorer tasks. Sometimes it leaves one open even after you close the main window.



As a point of reference, I have a workstation at work that stays on for days at a time with large files loaded that runs a couple production web servers and 3D CAD applications. It has 12 GB of RAM and a 32 GB page file. Currently it's sitting at:
- Total 12271 MB
- Cached 6479 MB
- Available 6466 MB
- Handles 78,436
- Threads 1394
- Processes 103
- Uptime 5 days, 22 hours
- Commit 6 / 43 GB

It also decides to cache 5879 MB to the Video Card which is also hard to tell the actual values of in Windows with the basic built in tools.

Yes, 15GB commit which is made up of a 12GB page file and slightly less than 4GB of RAM.

I didn't really open and close many programs, probably less than 25 over the last week but using only the same 4 or 5 programs. I set the page file size to a maximum of 12GB months ago but when I did, I thought that 12GB was excessively high. The size actually makes it the largest page file I have. I'll have to check what happens if I close the Minecraft when I am near max memory usage when I get home today. I know my current graphics drivers (AMD) on that computer causes blue screens but how can I tell if it is responsible for this? The drivers got updated a few days ago and they finally got applied after I restarted today.
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You could try a program like Process Explorer or something to get some more detailed information. It could be Windows caching a bunch of your memory for your GPU, but normally your "available" number should be a lot higher.



Your "commit" is at 15/15 GB and you also have over 780,000 handles which if I remember correctly means that you have 15 GB of available "memory" between your RAM and page file and it's currently all being allocated. I have a sneaking feeling that you have opened and closed a lot of programs, server instances, etc. or have some buggy drivers or programs with big memory leaks. What can happen is the program can allocated memory which takes it away from the available memory, but if it's not using it directly, it might not report that the program is using that much memory.



The default task manager isn't exactly the best at showing this stuff.







I would highly recommend a restart and increase your page file size.



It definitely seems like a lot of your memory wasn't released properly by different programs, or background programs and services that are still open. It could very well be the Minecraft Server you are running. If you just close that when you are near max memory usage, does it drop off significantly? What about Internet Explorer, go in to task manager and end all the Internet Explorer tasks. Sometimes it leaves one open even after you close the main window.







As a point of reference, I have a workstation at work that stays on for days at a time with large files loaded that runs a couple production web servers and 3D CAD applications. It has 12 GB of RAM and a 32 GB page file. Currently it's sitting at:

- Total 12271 MB

- Cached 6479 MB

- Available 6466 MB

- Handles 78,436

- Threads 1394

- Processes 103

- Uptime 5 days, 22 hours

- Commit 6 / 43 GB



It also decides to cache 5879 MB to the Video Card which is also hard to tell the actual values of in Windows with the basic built in tools.


Yes, 15GB commit which is made up of a 12GB page file and slightly less than 4GB of RAM.



I didn't really open and close many programs, probably less than 25 over the last week but using only the same 4 or 5 programs. I set the page file size to a maximum of 12GB months ago but when I did, I thought that 12GB was excessively high. The size actually makes it the largest page file I have. I'll have to check what happens if I close the Minecraft when I am near max memory usage when I get home today. I know my current graphics drivers (AMD) on that computer causes blue screens but how can I tell if it is responsible for this? The drivers got updated a few days ago and they finally got applied after I restarted today.

 

It might be worth a try to download DDU to fully uninstall your AMD driver and re-download and install the latest stable driver for your card. Memory issues are pretty common bugs on driver releases like the recent AMD beta driver that causes memory usage to increase a bunch in Chrome. I'm not sure if it was straight RAM usage, or if the GPU driver was maxing out the cached system RAM that Windows allocates to the graphics card on top of the dedicated VRAM on the GPU itself.

If this machine is just running server stuff and general programs, you could look on eBay or local IT stores for some old second hand low-end workstation cards. they are much more reliable, lower power consumption, and way better driver support. I've been putting Quadro 200's and FireGL cards in a lot of computers lately for general usage and had no complaints unless they wanted to start playing high-end 3D games on them.
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