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The only reason I am now concerned is your insistence that the Niko Mosfets on this board will fail probably even at stock clocks in short order.

Now the socket temps on this MSI board are far better than the Asrock board it replaced. Since I am not overclocking, should I really be all that concerned? The computer runs 24/7 in a cool environment if that helps.

I never said that the Gaming will fail at stock clocks. I have always said, that 4.5 is a clock with a certain safety for it. That it runs cooler than the Asrock is normal, all Asrock 970s overheat in the socket.

No, i don't think you should worry for stock clocks. The REALLY dangerous Nikos mosfets (where in a low phase motherboard one should worry even at stock), are the D-PAKs. The Gaming has the newer power-paks and they 've put 4 per phase (which is unusually high). So 6+2 phase for stock, it should be fine. They 've put a lot mosfets, because since Nikos isn't famous for quality, they went with quantity. The more the mosfets, the less stress on them.
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I never said that the Gaming will fail at stock clocks. I have always said, that 4.5 is a clock with a certain safety for it. That it runs cooler than the Asrock is normal, all Asrock 970s overheat in the socket.

That is good to know, thanks. smile.gif Since my FX chips that I owned never really overclocked all that well, I just did not want to invest anymore in old tech even though it is old tech I like. I just had to replace the board at work and did not feel like spending the money at that moment on a full system upgrade. Thanks for putting my mind at ease.
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That is good to know, thanks. smile.gif Since my FX chips that I owned never really overclocked all that well, I just did not want to invest anymore in old tech even though it is old tech I like. I just had to replace the board at work and did not feel like spending the money at that moment on a full system upgrade. Thanks for putting my mind at ease.

You 're welcome. For stock clocks, virtually any 4+1 motherboard, can handle an FX without high risk (with some exceptions). With 6+2 even better. Besides, usually work PCs aren't subjected to extreme stress like it can happen with games. Of course it depends on the work, but still, it shouldn't be any riskier than running other brands. Personally, i have a natural distaste for Nikos, since there isn't another brand of mosfets that has destroyed so many motherboards in the so little time. But the newer power-paks, should run cooler than the D-PAKs and well, when you put 8x4= 32 mosfets, at stock, they shouldn't heat up too much. An MSI Gaming that was reviewed in the forum did die in few hours during the review, but at 4.7. Which is much different than stock. Past 4.5 is where quality starts playing increased role. And this is why i wouldn't run it past 4.5 for myself. Of course, to be honest, i wouldn't buy something with Nikos in the first place, if i could help it, but for stock, i wouldn't throw it away. I mean, i could run it myself without losing my sleep, since i run 4Ghz and undervolted.
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Definitely stay away from the fatality branded boards if you want 4.6 plus...really the only one I would say go for in black and red is the crosshair...saber will do just as well but it's not pretty lol
Under you could probably run it on a hamster wheel with that low voltage smile.gif
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Yes, the motherboard market for AM3+ is stagnant and quality wise, it's not getting any better. ASUS has pretty much abbandoned it. Gigabyte simply keeps producing more and more revisions of the old boards, as usual, but it doesn't seem they get better in overclocking. MSI and Asrock tried to fill an intermediate market with the 970 Gaming and Performance respectively, but they both give new features, but none of them really has quality VRM. Asrock also put the only mATX board with 970 chipset and apparently to cut costs, put brandless mosfets on it.

So, it's really a pretty bleak picture for overclockers.

ASUS didn't abandon it, they have the best boards and have no reason to release new ones when their old ones still outpace the new ones from the competition. With no new chipsets and a EOL socket what reason would they have to release new motherboards. Anyone serious about overclocking has a home on the CHV.
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ASUS didn't abandon it, they have the best boards and have no reason to release new ones when their old ones still outpace the new ones from the competition. With no new chipsets and a EOL socket what reason would they have to release new motherboards. Anyone serious about overclocking has a home on the CHV.

Yeah, i didn't mean they stopped producing, i meant they haven't released new model like the others. CHV is good, but not everyone is willing to pay for it...
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Personally, if i wanted to overclock up to 4.5Ghz and there wasn't anything else at that price, i would consider it.

The preoccupying with this motherboard, is that in Newegg there is a pattern with early deaths. Agent Smith also had the incident in about 7 months if memory serves me. Of course, the direct competitor is MSI Gaming, which sports Nikos mosfets (although power paks), so this isn't ideal either. Between the two, i really don't know what i 'd choose. I mean, i 'd rather spend something more and get some ASUS, if i wanted to go above 4.5.
The UD3P is substantially less expensive at the Egg than the AsRock motherboard was before it went out of stock so I see no reason to ever consider the AsRock.

Besides, several reported dead motherboards with no overclocking, even with 95W processors. It seems clear enough that the board just isn't good.
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I really don't know what to tell you... In the last days, there have been 2 users that got UD3P rev2. It seems that there is something different compared to rev1 (my suspicion is better features, but somewhat nerfed overclocking), but they both overclocked at least to 4.4. One is bonami, who has an active thread with other problems and another i don't remember the name.
Mine is running at 4.5 because of being heat limited. I'm sure I can get more out of the board. Highest obtained speed into Windows (with a run of Cinebench) was 5.1 with just one module enabled and 5.02 or so with 4 modules (but one core per module). The highest I was able to Cinebench multi with the chip fully-enabled was with 4.7 but that was with the case open and low ambient. Cinebench, while demanding, is also not a proper Prime95/LinX test.

The VRM heatsink seems to be the board's weakest link, although I can't manually adjust the northbridge and hypertransport speeds either.

I strongly suggest using a AIO or custom loop with this board so you can put a really big fan to blow onto the VRMs and northbridge. Large air coolers leave very little space so you're stuck with a high RPM small fan which is noisy. I have to run the stock cooler fan from the 8320E at 2500 RPM just to keep the VRM temps at 82C at 4.5 and that's with ambient of around 68F.

As someone else mentioned the socket and core temps don't differ much. I also have a 120mm low RPM sleeve fan on the back of the socket.
Edited by superstition222 - 10/12/15 at 6:58pm
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Stay away from ASRock and MSI and you´ll be fine.

ASUS M5A97 EVO R2.0
ASUS M5A99X EVO R2.0
ASUS M5A99FX PRO R2.0
ASUS Sabertooth 990FX R2.0
ASUS Crosshair V Formula
ASUS Crosshair V Formula-Z

Gigabyte 970A-UD3P is electrically fine, however the bios is a complete bug fest (applies on all Gigabyte AMD boards).

With sufficient cooling all of these will handle a 4.7GHz FX-8K CPU without any problems.
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I'll add The Giga 990FX UD7 to Stilts list. Mine was great, no complaints with it. Every known bell and whistle possible. The problem is finding one for sale.

Mine was stable with a 4100 FX at 4.7ghz, well 4680mhz. The chip was a dog, but the board was totally nice. The bios wasn't super buggy and responded well to overclocking. I received it from a reviewer whom mangled the Cpu socket pretty bad. The pins under the gate where twisted up bad, I was able to save it for a few runs. Honestly I wish I could have repaired it. Would probably still be benching on it today. http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=2081618

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