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I'm all for the Mars thing, but how about wefix our economy's first! And work out a better deal for the whole Earth, where we're arent looking at nuclear war, aka WW3!
Edited by knightsilver - 10/15/15 at 10:05pm
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I'm all for the Mars thing, but how about wefix our economy's first! And work out a better deal for the whole Earth, where we're arent looking at nuclear war, aka WW3!

you'll have to thin out the population first for any large scale improvements to occur.
so i guess war is pretty much needed, or at least a global scale outbreak, or pandemic.
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Point being there is much to be learned here on this chunk of space rock and ore before looking at another.

There is much that can be learned about this chunk of space rock by looking at others.
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you'll have to thin out the population first for any large scale improvements to occur.
so i guess war is pretty much needed, or at least a global scale outbreak, or pandemic.

Or people could be persuaded to have fewer little urchins for a few generations. Anyway I think that's sort of the point here. If we can successfully colonize Mars and actually make it self-sustaining (I don't see that this is likely) then we can take a lot of pressure off of the Earth's resources.

I wonder how many people will die on these missions, if they go forward. Everest has dead bodies all over the place. At least you won't have to pass by them on the way to Mars.
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This entire thread is filled with small minded neophytes who have no idea how science works. Relative to the budget of the DoD, NASA's incredibly useful science costs us nothing, and gives so much more in return.

Want to be taken seriously? Stop parroting incoherent garbage and learn some grammar.
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Or people could be persuaded to have fewer little urchins for a few generations. Anyway I think that's sort of the point here. If we can successfully colonize Mars and actually make it self-sustaining (I don't see that this is likely) then we can take a lot of pressure off of the Earth's resources.

I wonder how many people will die on these missions, if they go forward. Everest has dead bodies all over the place. At least you won't have to pass by them on the way to Mars.

I would hope that NASA builds in all kinds of redundancies and fail-safes. Besides, the people who will go are going to be highly-trained, well-qualified people who have the kind of creative thinking skills needed to cope with emergencies or problems.

Eventually one day it'll be no worse than going on a 6-month boat cruise, though. smile.gif
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On the other hand, I do think they should try all this stuff on the surface of Luna first. Relatively speaking it's safer and cheaper than Mars, hell they don't even have to worry about virus' because there isn't any atmosphere thumb.gif

Very different challenges though:

Atmosphere vs (essentially) no atmosphere
0.38G vs 0.16G
Wind vs no wind
Temperature vs no temperature
Different minerals


Ultimately setting up a habitat on the surface of the moon wouldn't tell us that much more about going to Mars than could be learned on the ISS - which is even closer and even cheaper.
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I'm all for the Mars thing, but how about wefix our economy's first!

Why work on large tasks in serial when we can do that in parallel!!

That's why job specialization exists.
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Very different challenges though:

Atmosphere vs (essentially) no atmosphere
0.38G vs 0.16G
Wind vs no wind
Temperature vs no temperature
Different minerals


Ultimately setting up a habitat on the surface of the moon wouldn't tell us that much more about going to Mars than could be learned on the ISS - which is even closer and even cheaper.

That is a good point, we could use the ISS as a test-bed but I would assume that would not only use more resources, being a satalite of Earth but also kinda cheating when it's already built tongue.gif

Luna colony could be started and built like they would on Mars, city planning, population control etc: I just think it's stupid doing it 9 months away insted of ...3 days I think the apollo missions took . I wouldn't be much different than the ISS but it would at least get us started not to mention give use more room than the ISS, Might not tell use much about maintaining in the atmosphere of Mars but it'd give use more insight into Zero-G engineering which we could use to construct a shipyard, in turn would help us get to Mars.

I just can't help but feel this is another attempt at a "Moon landing" race, vast amount of resources and time spent jumping the gun to make NASA seem like it's worth the budget ( Which we all know isn't much to start with sadly ) Instead of stepping stones we're leap-frogging steps all in the name of "Me first".
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That is a good point, we could use the ISS as a test-bed but I would assume that would not only use more resources, being a satalite of Earth but also kinda cheating when it's already built tongue.gif

Luna colony could be started and built like they would on Mars, city planning, population control etc: I just think it's stupid doing it 9 months away insted of ...3 days I think the apollo missions took . I wouldn't be much different than the ISS but it would at least get us started not to mention give use more room than the ISS, Might not tell use much about maintaining in the atmosphere of Mars but it'd give use more insight into Zero-G engineering which we could use to construct a shipyard, in turn would help us get to Mars.

I just can't help but feel this is another attempt at a "Moon landing" race, vast amount of resources and time spent jumping the gun to make NASA seem like it's worth the budget ( Which we all know isn't much to start with sadly ) Instead of stepping stones we're leap-frogging steps all in the name of "Me first".

The moon is a good stepping stone for several reasons, but the one that it can take care of that ISS can't do well is reduced gravity. It is necessary to know how humans can live with it in the long term. Hypo-G environments (more than Zero-G but a fraction of Earth's) is a woefully under-researched subject. You can find more about its current state in this article:

http://thespacereview.com/article/2802/1
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