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Eh, maybe. Seagate tried making some SSDs a while ago. I picked up my 240GB 600 November 2013. Don't regret it - it's a good drive - but they've never followed up with anything. Additionally, they purchased LSI of SandForce and every-server-RAID-controller-ever fame, but I have yet to see them do much with that.

Perhaps WD could try to push for their own hybrid drives? They did try with the Black2, but I'm almost certain sales were abysmal. It was very expensive for what it was, a 1TB WD Blue with a kinda crappy 120GB SSD taped on top. It only made sense for some very niche situations, and even then not very much sense when A) a single, larger SSD would have been the same price, B) Seagate's hybrid drives were available for less and C) Samsung's and Crucial's terabyte drives were available for more. (And as an aside, I bought a 960GB M500 for less than the Black2's $300 MSRP, though to be fair it was a refurb and only last month.)

I don't think they should push for releasing SSD's under the WD name, I think they should do what they did with HGST where they just mention it is a Western Digital company. Revamp customer service, quality control, quality assurance, improve performance with various SKUs, etc. Then continue to release the SSDs under the SanDisk name (with the "A Western Digital Company" inclusion).

Maybe take the technology received from SanDisk and use that to release higher quality WD Hybrid drives, but as far as SSDs go I'm not sure they should release them under their own name. HGST has been doing so well and I'm not sure how much of that is attributed to WD acquiring them but man do they make some solid high capacity drives that have a long life span. I'm torn between my next backup/storage/extra games drive being a 4TB HGST or 4TB Blue because the HGST's are so nice.
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Yeah, it might not be a bad idea to keep them more or less autonomous but bring them under the WD "family." SanDisk is pretty well-known, I'd say, so it would be a huge misstep to ditch that label. That doesn't mean they can't release WD-branded SSDs however.
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Buyout Western Digital! HA HA! SanDisk itself would be too expensive 12 billion dollar company, a 22 billion dollar company, 19 billion for micron's. I just can't see either of them buying each other. I can see mergers or partnerships.
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Yeah, it might not be a bad idea to keep them more or less autonomous but bring them under the WD "family." SanDisk is pretty well-known, I'd say, so it would be a huge misstep to ditch that label. That doesn't mean they can't release WD-branded SSDs however.

Maybe WD trying a 120GB, 240GB, or 480GB SSD might not be a bad idea but it would have to be based off of SanDisks top of the line SSDs which I believe are the Ultra II or Extreme Pro. The Ultra II have pretty good price to performance but the Extreme Pro not so much, so WD would have to improve on that in order to make people switch to it (when using re-branded models). Having "A WD Company" included in the SanDisk name would help boost sales but they would need to give people incentive to go with those choices over say a Samsung or Crucial drive because right now they are killing it with price to performance SSDs. Even more so with WD utilizing one of SanDisks' faster drives as a re-brand because you just cant sell a 240/250GB SSD for $120 anymore (What the Extreme Pro is priced at).
Edited by BiG StroOnZ - 10/13/15 at 10:18pm
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Maybe WD trying a 120GB, 240GB, or 480GB SSD might not be a bad idea but it would have to be based off of SanDisks top of the line SSDs which I believe are the Ultra II or Extreme Pro. The Ultra II have pretty good price to performance but the Extreme Pro not so much, so WD would have to improve on that in order to make people switch to it (when using re-branded models). Having "A WD Company" included in the SanDisk name would help boost sales but they would need to give people incentive to go with those choices over say a Samsung or Crucial drive because right now they are killing it with price to performance SSDs. Even more so with WD utilizing one of SanDisks' faster drives as a re-brand because you just cant sell a 240/250GB SSD for $120 anymore (What the Extreme Pro is priced at).

Hybrid drives are seeming to get a lot of attention.
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Hybrid drives are seeming to get a lot of attention.

Problem is most of them don't have enough NAND flash to make them worthwhile, so it is usually just better to go with a WD Black or a WD Blue because they will end up being faster in the end. That's at least if you plan on using the drive for more than just storage wherein you plan to access it quite often. WD released a 4TB Blue recently that seems to have decent reviews, however again it only has 140-150 MB/s read and writes. Mostly likely because it is a 5400rpm drive coupled with 8GB of NAND. Kind of disappointing when 4TB Black can do almost 50 MB/s more read/write.

It seems these Hybrid drives tend to speed up quite a bit when you frequently access them because of caching but sequential performance is still pretty lackluster because they still seem to pair the NAND with a 5400 rpm drive.

I would like to see Hybrid drives with larger NAND capacities personally and faster HDDs, the WD Black² was a step in the right direction but it carried a plenitude of issues along with it (Windows seeing the SSD and HDD as separate, along with the HDD failing but the SSD working). Maybe if WD acquired SanDisk it would help propel them in the right direction to where Hybrid drives should go.
Edited by BiG StroOnZ - 10/13/15 at 11:44pm
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Buyout Western Digital! HA HA! SanDisk itself would be too expensive 12 billion dollar company, a 22 billion dollar company, 19 billion for micron's. I just can't see either of them buying each other. I can see mergers or partnerships.

Dell, a $25 billions company just bought out EMC for $67 billions so yeah you clearly have no clue how acquisitions work. WD and Micron can very well buy SanDisk out. They'd just have to levy funds to do it, whether through debt financing or through equity.
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Looks like this deal is moving along, as now they are in advanced talks about the acquisition taking place:
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It seems that Western Digital is in advanced talks with SanDisk regarding an acquisition. The two storage device makers could reach a deal pretty soon as well, with sources familiar with the matter claiming that everything could be official by the end of the week. Right now, Western Digital is said to be negotiating a price between $80 and $90 per share, though right now those details are private and as a result, the sources have been kept anonymous.

The initial report comes from Bloomberg, which also notes that no agreement has been signed yet, so talks could still fall apart, though negotiations gained pace over the weekend.

Western Digital is discussing a price of between $80 and $90 per SanDisk share, according to two of the people, who asked not to be identified because the information is private. The company is leaning toward an all-cash offer, three people said. While no agreement has been signed and talks could still fall apart, negotiations accelerated over the weekend, the people said.

Source 1: http://www.kitguru.net/components/hard-drives/matthew-wilson/western-digital-is-in-advanced-talks-to-buy-sandisk/
Source 2: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-10-19/sandisk-said-to-be-in-advanced-talks-to-sell-to-western-digital
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Was it the WD or the Seagate CEO that claimed SSDs were basically no threat and never going to challenge HDDs?
     
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Was it the WD or the Seagate CEO that claimed SSDs were basically no threat and never going to challenge HDDs?

Seagate.
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