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Near zero sales is better than zero sales and being prosecuted into the middle of next century - there is no way they could ever sell something that broke the law so obviously.

Also they are selling these as safe - doesn't do much for the public image of a safe vehicle if it goes around breaking the speed limit.

I'm not disagreeing from a legal standpoint, just a marketing one (that and getting shot at - which has happened on more than one occasion frown.gif ) At a minimum, you'll be exposed to innumerable road rage incidents (as experienced by local news reporters). Another huge hurdle is the fact that almost everyone maintains a 2-3 car spacing (at most) even at 75mph. I'm not sure if it's even possible to drive on a freeway (without stopping) and maintain the recommended safety distance.

Technically, I think these cars are probably quite capable. It's dealing with the human element that makes things very complicated rolleyes.gif
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it will always respond better than a human. imagine a world with only these cars.

Eugh... I don't want to imagine that world thanks.
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Tesla's trying to jump the gun too.



Keep in mind this auto pilot feature was added with a software upgrade to the car.
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So long as my self driving Motorhome exists for my retirement, we will be all right!

Asked the wife if she would be interested in selling the house later and retiring in a self driving Motorhome when they become available. She, of course, was all aboard that idea!

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Living in the Bay Area sounds like you get a glimpse of the future.

And a glimpse of the future isn't necessarily a good thing. $1.7k studio apartments in mediocre neighborhood. $2k+ single bed apartments in a crappy complex. $2.8-$3.8+ for a modern new one bedroom condo lease. $3+ a gallon gas.

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I look forward to self-driving cars moving along like a platoon on the freeway. Also, reduce that annoying green light lag when a long line of cars is waiting for the light to change.

Well, you're gonna have to wait a while before things are like that. And there wouldn't necessarily be less green light lag... most drivers around here are faster than the self-driving cars.
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I've got a great business idea for these cars. I'd have them setup in a virtual environment on a tablet, and have self driving taxi's that can be deployed from my house or a central location. eventually with good enough programming the entire system could be automated and I can be sitting on my ass at home making big bucks, lol. thumb.gifbiggrin.gif


Self deploying / self driving taxis.....just need a lot of startup capital to make this happen hahahah
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That's one thing I wonder about - will they adhere to posted speed limits? In California, that would make you a "problem" in traffic, where the flow is typically 10-15mph above the posted speed. I don't know how they would deal with that: drive at the posted speed and deal with road rage problems or get sued for speeding tickets. As I see it, that's one of the most difficult problems to solve.

Yeah, I spent six years in California. You can't drive slow on those interstates at all, unless you want someone on your rear end fast. Plus, don't forget the fast lane splitting motorcycles too. Learn to drive my motorcycle out there, talk about learning fast.

O lord, here a good test idea. Take one to Davis, CA, see how it handles all those bicycles and cars. tongue.gif Plus, the fun six lane lock up that occurs at certain hours on the I-80.
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And a glimpse of the future isn't necessarily a good thing. $1.7k studio apartments in mediocre neighborhood. $2k+ single bed apartments in a crappy complex. $2.8-$3.8+ for a modern new one bedroom condo lease. $3+ a gallon gas.
Well, you're gonna have to wait a while before things are like that. And there wouldn't necessarily be less green light lag... most drivers around here are faster than the self-driving cars.

Heck, I remember it breaking $4+ for a while during Summer a year or two back (Boy, where electric bicycles getting good sells that year). Talk about no fun. My rent was bad enough considering it did not include the electric bill either. I give one thing about returning home to the South. Food, movies, gas, living, etc. whole lot cheaper. Just Internet availability sucks major. tongue.gif Plus, got to deal with the occasional hurricane.

But yeah, California cost of living is nuts.
 
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And a glimpse of the future isn't necessarily a good thing. $1.7k studio apartments in mediocre neighborhood. $2k+ single bed apartments in a crappy complex. $2.8-$3.8+ for a modern new one bedroom condo lease. $3+ a gallon gas.

So do you like living there or you don't? tongue.gif

I'm from Chicago, I can already deal with $3 gas. My Civic says "no sweat" biggrin.gif My mind is already on California being better for me than Chicago, so don't you dare try to change it tongue.gif Software jobs over there have much higher base salaries than anywhere else in the US to reflect higher COL. However I will not want to live in San Francisco proper if I want a large home. Just enjoy being close to cool tech companies, that's where I'd want to be. The only lucrative software jobs in Chicago are in.. finance... meh.
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Predicting driver's next move... lol good luck with that one.

There is only so many things a driver can do in a car traveling, say, at 50 mph. His decisions have after-all some constraints on them imposed by laws of physics. And ofc the number of reasonable decisions is much smaller than the number of things a driver can do. I doubt these cars will take into account everything a driver could do in every other vehicle it sees. I mean how often can one see a driver bailing from his moving vehicle at any speed greater than, say, 30 mph. Hell, even at lower speeds it should be pretty low probability.

It is probably reasonable to expect unannounced aggressive lane changes, random hard breaking, etc. Predicting that the card could perhaps even be better than a human would. With all it's sensors is could, perhaps detect the quick glance of the other driver in the rear-view mirror and slight wavering of the car when the driver assesses the probability that he can make such a move without getting killed in the process wink.gif
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There is only so many things a driver can do in a car traveling, say, at 50 mph. His decisions have after-all some constraints on them imposed by laws of physics. And ofc the number of reasonable decisions is much smaller than the number of things a driver can do. I doubt these cars will take into account everything a driver could do in every other vehicle it sees. I mean how often can one see a driver bailing from his moving vehicle at any speed greater than, say, 30 mph. Hell, even at lower speeds it should be pretty low probability.

It is probably reasonable to expect unannounced aggressive lane changes, random hard breaking, etc. Predicting that the card could perhaps even be better than a human would. With all it's sensors is could, perhaps detect the quick glance of the other driver in the rear-view mirror and slight wavering of the car when the driver assesses the probability that he can make such a move without getting killed in the process wink.gif

These systems are capable of picking up and tracking things in the environment before anyone is even going to see them to know to "predict" what they are going to do. That is followed up by their, as far as we can perceive, instant reaction to changes and events. They see it before us, and they can react faster than we could ever hope.
    
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