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I have all of the details but can't disclose them. I won't need to disclose them anyway because it will be out in the media soonish.
Great news. Hope you're well paid by AMD to play the drama queen.
Defoler is right, you'll just need to wait and don't jump to conclusions every time you post.
When Mantle was out, people like you posted a lot on the fact that Mantle will change everything for AMD. Mantle doesn't exist anymore and AMD sell 1 card when nVidia sell 5 cards now. Only facts talk.
And honestly, who care about DX12 right now ? You think you'll keep your 390X till death ?
If you want to give good advices to people, say to them that they need to wait for the 16nm cards if they can.
Next cards will be aimed to occupy DX12 territory, right now, it's just marketing talks and blabla.
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Great news. Hope you're well paid by AMD to play the drama queen.
Defoler is right, you'll just need to wait and don't jump to conclusions every time you post.
When Mantle was out, people like you posted a lot on the fact that Mantle will change everything for AMD. Mantle doesn't exist anymore and AMD sell 1 card when nVidia sell 5 cards now. Only facts talk.
And honestly, who care about DX12 right now ? You think you'll keep your 390X till death ?
If you want to give good advices to people, say to them that they need to wait for the 16nm cards if they can.
Next cards will be aimed to occupy DX12 territory, right now, it's just marketing talks and blabla.
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- "Pascal will occupy Directx 12 territory," says OCN commentator.
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Great news. Hope you're well paid by AMD to play the drama queen.
Defoler is right, you'll just need to wait and don't jump to conclusions every time you post.
When Mantle was out, people like you posted a lot on the fact that Mantle will change everything for AMD. Mantle doesn't exist anymore and AMD sell 1 card when nVidia sell 5 cards now. Only facts talk.
And honestly, who care about DX12 right now ? You think you'll keep your 390X till death ?
If you want to give good advices to people, say to them that they need to wait for the 16nm cards if they can.
Next cards will be aimed to occupy DX12 territory, right now, it's just marketing talks and blabla.
Who doesn't care about if a new GPU supports the latest APIs available? Everyone wants the best possible performance there is to get from a GPU from the moment is bought and for it to support upcoming announced updates as most gamers are not going to upgrade to the latest available hardware to be sure that they'll be able to play games.
Edited by skruppe - 10/21/15 at 2:21am
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Nvidia showed async performance and... the 9xx support it with drivers help. They even showed how better it was with nvidia than AMD.
Also... the 970 has 4GB. It performs as it should be. No issues there. The only ones having issues, are the ones trying to make it up.
Titan X performs better in 4K. That is the goal of the card. Not to replace a 400$ card.
Where did Nvidia show A-sync performance?
They never even mention directly A-sync compute after the launch of Ashes demo.

Yeah 4gb vram on the 970 = 3.5gb at normal speed + 512mb useless/slow vram . It's the only "4gb" GPU that has this memory configuration. So if the 970 can be consider 4gb card what about the rest of the non-gimped cards?
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The problem is that even if AC is used it will be at small amount at least for 2015 and even 2016, and in time when real dx 12 games will be out both companies will have new arch gpus out on a new nod and fully support of dx12.
Another problem bothers me only hawaii gpus are seeing good perf increase with AC in both aots and fable legends, we have seen little to no gain with fiji gpus ( a bottleneck maybe but i don't know where )
So even if the fact that maxwell 1.0 and 2.0 doesn't support AC ( only with cuda ) that wont be sufficient to turn the table for now but i hope it ddoe in the future, good competition is always good for us consumers thumb.gif
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Dont have to work for a relevant company to be under NDA. I am sure I am under some NDAs as well but I am not in the industry.

All it means is that you are told something or saw something you aren't to discuss.

Also, you're "sure your under some NDA"? You don't know? Sorry, I know exactly what NDA's I am under and for what. If you don't know if you are under an NDA or not, you aren't.

Look, Mahigan already admitted to working for Team Red. Now he is saying he can't talk about it or who he works for? He is obviously biased, which is why EVERYONE should take what he says with a grain of salt.
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The way I see it, the test is needed. To mitigate fears. At the same time I question the way the test was first communicated. That the GCN latency, in the test, was somewhat a sign that GCN was poor at computing. It took Sebbi, stepping in, to re-iterate my concerns (which they brushed off) as to the way the test was programmed. I mentioned that batches needed to be threaded in increments of 64 (256 often being ideal). When someone posted over at Beyond3D that "Mahigan had concerns" someone hit back that I once worked for ATi therefore I was biased and my concerns didn't matter.

There is a lot of hostility towards me. There has been from the moment I posted my theory. I'm not going to change the story, as it unfolded. Now on with the testing.

It's been an interesting 2.5 months since he showed up at the OCN door step to be sure. If I didn't know better, I'd swear that he is AMD_Roy.

What I'm about to say is mainly for the people who don't follow what he has said over the past 2.5 months closely. It is intended to be as a public service announcement, and not a personal attack. I'm simply providing the publicly available knowledge and a bit of logic, so feel free to draw your own conclusions.

He has admitted to working for ATI in the past, and now admits to working with some other company that is in a similar field now. That is a fact (if you take him at his word).

He has made post after post in his short 2.5 month OCN tenure to try to say he is unbiased. More to the point, he has said that he isn't biased, but rather just very experienced and just giving his opinion and he relies on his vast knowledge and intelligence. Now it comes out he is an insider (again, if you believe what he said). So if he is an insider, then how smart and "predictive" do you have to be if you have access to inside information? To me, that is just trying to pass yourself off as something you aren't. Further, if you take him at his word about his NDA's, then you have to wonder how trust worthy he really is since he is basically violating the NDA (or at least the spirit of them) by coming on here and disseminating that information. If he isn't under NDA and he is just giving his opinion, then once again, he isn't being honest. Then there is the possibility that he is a plant by AMD or a close company, and he is just AMD_Roy 2.0. Etc. Regardless of what the real case is, I personally don't trust or believe a word this 2.5 month alias who came to OCN like gang busters on AMD's side. "The lady doth protest too much, methinks." - William Shakespeare.

Again, this is just personal observations and basic logic for the people who don't follow people too closely. Draw your own conclusions.

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He's under NDA about that too rolleyes.gif

It's funny how now his predictions weren't ever predictions at all, and he's been on the inside the whole time. rolleyes.gif

And this dude says he's impartial and unbiased... It seems it's his job to taint Nvidia's image

Exactly. IMO, what ever "credibility" he thinks he has is pretty much out the window. He comes on like he is the most fair and honest "Graphics Card Aficionado", but in reality, he is one of the most partisan PLANTS there has ever been on this board.
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Great news. Hope you're well paid by AMD to play the drama queen.
Hey, at least that's his job. What's your excuse? wink.gif
    
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Where did Nvidia show A-sync performance?
They never even mention directly A-sync compute after the launch of Ashes demo.

They didn't that I'm aware of.. because its been mentioned in multiple places that Nvidia hasn't commented.

Personally I have 2 Fury X and 1 GTX 980 ti.. so I was curious about this topic. Its not that difficult to search around and see what is out there. The only real mention of Nvidia 900 series cards and Async performance... was a 3rd party post about a program(benchmark) someone else had written. Which showed Maxwell 2 performing better up to a certain point (according to them it handled about half the concurrent workload of a Fury X but was faster at/under that limit and that both cards had a performance penalty when going over their respective limits).

On another note... any NDA I've been under with a major company... required copies of various forms of ID and a signed agreement. <- Just my personal experience. Opposed to say a beta NDA where you just click an accept button.
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The GTX980 is overpriced not the GTX 980 Ti. The Ti is the best card for $650.

The GTX 980 will be slower than an R9 390x under DX12 scenarios and even most newer DX11 titles.

As for the NDA I'm under, it's based on agreements not to disclose information. I haven't signed anything. wink.gif

I keep my agreements. Lets just say that Maxwell 2 missed out on Async Compute support, under DX12, because of a hardware oversight error. Maxwell 2 does support Async compute under CUDA through HyperQ.

I mentioned this in the Async thread. There are ways around the problem but none of them are great solutions.

One way is for developers to code for CUDA rather than DX12, like they do for PhysX, the other is by using a compiler in the driver which intercepts DX12 Async loads and processes them through HyperQ. The former would be time consuming for developers, the latter will actually incur a hefty, and I mean hefty, amount of CPU overhead which will hurt performance rather than boost it.

I have all of the details but can't disclose them. I won't need to disclose them anyway because it will be out in the media soonish.

The 980 has always been overpriced. Nvidia can easily drop the price on that card and the 970 when they feel the need. Is AMD in any position for a price war? Not hardly.

Quit being so dramatic about things. Maxwell 2 may have issues with dx12, but it will not be as extreme as you are making it. Your bias really shows through and it really gets old.
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Quit being so dramatic about things. Maxwell 2 may have issues with dx12, but it will not be as extreme as you are making it. Your bias really shows through and it really gets old.

Exactly.

If Maxwell had issues with DX12 and Async, then how come in the latest AoS test, using the latest drivers, how come the top card now BEATS AMD's card? Yeah, the 980 isn't beating the 390X, but then again, the game STILL isn't released. You can only focus on so much at a time.

And when we look at all the issues that AMD is still having with Crossfire, the fact of the matter is a pair of 970's in SLI still pretty much beats (and sometimes stomps) it's AMD counter part in Crossfire. This has been shown in game after game on site after site.
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