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Are we really comparing a dual gpu setup to a single gpu system? In terms of price/fire strike numbers of course it's better. But in actual gaming performance and experience its totally different. Crossfire is a stuttering mess. Frames are all over the place. 980ti will bring a far superior smoother gaming experience.
And you speak from experience ? Because all i see is that you own a 980 Ti. I am pretty sure that Crossfire performs better than SLI in terms of scaling and frame times (in neutral games and normal options).
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390X is a freaking 290X rebrand, a card from 2013, with vastly worse value than 290X. And people still mention it or post brag post with the picture of them holding the 390X.

Thats the very definition of "lel". To be fooled by marketing so badly.

when it was released doesn't matter. Its current relevance. If nvidia dropped the 980 further the 390x would be dropped as well. One cannot expect previous 290x prices on a card that offers that level of performance and better dx12 support (beats 980 in dx12)
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And you speak from experience ? Because all i see is that you own a 980 Ti. I am pretty sure that Crossfire performs better than SLI in terms of scaling and frame times (in neutral games and normal options).

I currently have a single 980ti for good reason. Not going back to Sli/Cossfire. I've had 2 dual gpu's (7990 and Gtx690). And several Sli/crossfire setups. 6970xfire,780sli,980sli. In my experience Sli was a much smoother experience. It's not always about scaling. It's how the setup actually plays. I gave up on Amd after the 7990. I'm personally sticking with single gpu here on out. I've ran dual for so long I forgot how much better and smoother a single gpu was for overall gaming experience. To each their own I guess.
 
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6000 vs 5000 memory, less throttling, and twice the VRAm. Should mean a lot.
The VRAM amount won't have a big effect on average FPS scores at all (might affect minimum FPS/frametimes).

As for the memory overclock; the 295X2 uses two full Hawaii cores with a CLC. Those extra shader cores balance out memory clock speed advantages with the more cut-down 390.

As for throttling, the 295X2 is using a CLC whereas two 390s would be using open-air cooling designs each expelling the same amount of heat as a single 980 Ti in a confined area. It's unlikely they would throttle less. Speaking as the owner of multiple open-air-cooled 290Xs, a 780, and a 980 Ti, two such power-hungry GPUs in such close proximity absolutely will throttle and/or get extremely hot. It's a lot of heat to expel into a case.
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Also, that is an overall graph. An actual case of 90% efficiency like Firestrike? The crossfire would beat the living daylights out of the 980 ti.

Of course it's an average/overall graph (so is the OP list) since an average better reflects across the board performance allowing a better judge of bang-for-buck. It's only the 4K average graph too, which actually shows the 295X2 in its best light. It's actually behind in the other resolutions overall from that same site.

Are you directly saying we should cherrypick and falsely generalize a best-case scenario based on a synthetic benchmark?

And speaking of that synthetic benchmark (Firestrike), here are various 980 Tis all taking a dump on crossfire 290Xs and the 295X2:




Crossfire 390s absolutely do not stand a chance of doing what you claim.
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Have you ever heard of 680gtx and 770gtx? AMD isn't the first only company to ever rebrand a gpu.
I guess they dont count right?
The only difference is the 680 came out for $500, and the 770 for $400. That's $100 cheaper. When the 390x came out, it was more etpensive than the 290X 8GB
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The only difference is the 680 came out for $500, and the 770 for $400. That's $100 cheaper. When the 390x came out, it was more etpensive than the 290X 8GB

My point wasn't meant to argue over rebrands as it was about how he came across insulting people who make gpu purchases. He was basing their purchase off his own usage, Without giving much thought to the fact he doesn't know why they choose it. It could have been as simple as that was all they had on the shelf. I.E. best buy here has various Nvidia 9xx cards and a few AMD cards, 290x is not one of those to choose, however 390x/390 is.

Why assume someone bought it just to buy a rebrand. I am also pretty sure the 290x 8gb once it came out was actually more than the 390x. I was looking at getting them but decided against the costs over my 4gb versions. It's really hard to debate all this rebrand stuff because it happens on both sides. I have in my possession both 290x, and 390x and the 390x is slightly faster whether it be due to higher clocks or tighter memory timings who knows. The real value card is the 390 of the AMD rebranding as it performs very well for the costs.
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My point wasn't meant to argue over rebrands as it was about how he came across insulting people who make gpu purchases. He was basing their purchase off his own usage, Without giving much thought to the fact he doesn't know why they choose it. It could have been as simple as that was all they had on the shelf. I.E. best buy here has various Nvidia 9xx cards and a few AMD cards, 290x is not one of those to choose, however 390x/390 is.

Why assume someone bought it just to buy a rebrand. I am also pretty sure the 290x 8gb once it came out was actually more than the 390x. I was looking at getting them but decided against the costs over my 4gb versions. It's really hard to debate all this rebrand stuff because it happens on both sides. I have in my possession both 290x, and 390x and the 390x is slightly faster whether it be due to higher clocks or tighter memory timings who knows. The real value card is the 390 of the AMD rebranding as it performs very well for the costs.

Move along folks. This is why he was offended.. Sorry if my opinion regarding 390X offended you buddy, but I still think buying 390X for $100 more than 290X cost give AMD the wrong picture about their customers and just fortify their believes that its ok to pull similar rebrands in the future.

I still stand by that AMDs marketing is sadly working.
Here is a couple of chart to give you a visual representation of 680 > 770 and 290X > 390X and the value perspective. If you still dont think AMD is moving in the wrong direction, then so be it.

Doesnt matter much more anyway because AMD is soon replacing all cards with the new architecture thumb.gif
http://www.overclock.net/t/1577220/amd-seekingalpha-advanced-micro-devices-amd-ceo-lisa-t-su-on-q3-2015-results-earnings-call-transcript



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And you speak from experience ? Because all i see is that you own a 980 Ti. I am pretty sure that Crossfire performs better than SLI in terms of scaling and frame times (in neutral games and normal options).

This is true when it works; when Crossfire doesn't work a single 980 Ti G1 offers a massive performance improvement over the 2x 390s.

I have decided that raising the performance in the worst performing situations is more important to me than in the best case situations (at my resolution of 2560x1440). That game that doesn't work at all with SLI or Crossfire is incredibly frustrating when you have a dual GPU system. When I last used Crossfire it was a terrible stuttering mess but do believe that now it is a very rare game where Crossfire is like that. However, it is pretty common to have Crossfire not work at all, more common than SLI not working, and both of them do not work often enough.

3DMark performance is not a good place to get data about how a dual GPU solution will perform relative to a single GPU solution. When it works Crossfire does seem to scale better than SLI in games but no dual GPU solution scales as well in games as it does in 3DMark.

Unless there is no single GPU that can offer the performance I want I will never opt for a dual GPU system. I always wince when I see people recommend SLI 970s or Crossfire 2/380s. thumbsdownsmileyanim.gif
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The only difference is the 680 came out for $500, and the 770 for $400. That's $100 cheaper. When the 390x came out, it was more etpensive than the 290X 8GB

I'm pretty sure that the 290x came out at a higher price point than the 390x. I'm pretty sure the 680 cost less than $500 when the 770 was released. Not sure but I'd just like to remind that from a grammatical perspective, you're comparing apples and oranges (launch price vs street price after years of being available)

Regardless, failed pricing strategy of AMD might be frustrating to witness, but at least it got us underpriced 290(x) cards, and I appreciate that.

I'd appreciate it even more if the industry found some secret formula to outpace inflation more rapidly again.
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I'm pretty sure that the 290x came out at a higher price point than the 390x. I'm pretty sure the 680 cost less than $500 when the 770 was released. Not sure but I'd just like to remind that from a grammatical perspective, you're comparing apples and oranges (launch price vs street price after years of being available)

Regardless, failed pricing strategy of AMD might be frustrating to witness, but at least it got us underpriced 290(x) cards, and I appreciate that.

I'd appreciate it even more if the industry found some secret formula to outpace inflation more rapidly again.

No.

Of course 290X and 680 cost more when they were launched. They were new.
390X and 770 was not.

Its perfectly apples and apples, no matter how you try and twist it.

And FYI:
GTX 680: $430. GTX 770: $400, when 770 launched.
R9 290X: $330. R9 390X: $430, when 390X launched

Stop with the excuses please.
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