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Kinda stupid tbh. Don't see how this benefits the consumer by taking away options. Minor complaint though.
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Ugh, I hate the "geforce experience" and don't use it on my computer. This sucks.
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Well if you ever wanted to the the battle tester or just lIve on the bleeding edge that life has been royally muddled here. Shame NVIDIA. We're still trying the bash some sense into MS over the 10 driver nonsense then you have to come along and make things harder. Bleh
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This is where they now make it so you have to install express, instead of just selecting drivers etc.
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Jesus Christ, what's happening to PC gaming. between Windows 10, not being able to install my games without bloatware DRM clients, and not being able to install my GPU drivers without Nvidia bloatware, I'm almost ready to drop this platform.
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Literally 99% negative feedback on this idea everywhere it's discussed. There's no way Nvidia will blindly push forward with this. They're not deaf. *Insert Helen Keller joke*
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I don't like the fact that they are trying to force down our throat the "geforce experience". It is not always the best thing. As well as forcing us to register with an email (which will most likely be about sending crap "oh look a new crap in our experience thingy you don't like to use but we force you to" to our emails).

Hopefully they will revert that stupid decision.

But, I don't have it on my computer. I'm not using it though.
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Not cool, Nvidia. I have zero interest in GFE but want updates more frequently than quarterly. Guess I'm screwed mad.gif I would also put money on this being the first step in something bigger. This is to get people using GFE, then once everyone's dependent on that they introduce the actual reason they want people using it. No good will come of this.

 

I've never tried GFE, but I wonder if you can have it installed but completely prevent it from running automatically so that you can open/launch it whenever you want to download a new driver. You know, like using it purely as a driver installation utility and then completely exit it so that nothing related to GFE is running in the background after you're done.

 

Some people in this thread are saying that they would probably install it and then uninstall it each time they want the latest driver instead of waiting for the quarterly release, but I'm not so sure this will be necessary - unless GFE doesn't have the option built into it to not start with Windows. Or, if it does presently, then what if NVIDIA removes this option? Sigh.

 

This breaks my heart for everyone who is such a dedicated gamer that they are always grabbing the latest Game Ready driver because they always have the latest game titles as soon as they come out. I've seen reports that these Game Ready drivers really do help you get the best results as opposed to using a slightly older version - even if that version was the last release prior to the current one! For example: "Game Ready for New Game That Came Out Today" would be superior for that game that came out today than the driver that was released like, last week.

 

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I'd rather use 'dying' web downloads any day over bloatware. That said, drivers are constantly leaked anyway, so there's no problem whatsoever.

 

Well, it sounds like GFE completely deletes all installers as soon as the download & installation procedure is completed. I'd have to test this myself to see if this is true (or ask someone to test it), but if it is, then that means that the only drivers that will be downloadable outside of GFE on third-party websites will be the quarterly releases. Now, this is 100% fine with me, but what about people who are depending on the Game Ready drivers? Sigh. I mean, goddamn, there are gamers out there who always buy the latest and so each Game Ready driver is very desirable in their opinion, and I would bet that many of these gamers are also PC enthusiasts who hate GFE because they feel that it's bloatware.

 

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Originally Posted by cookieboyeli View Post

Geforce Experience is BLOATWARE! Anyone who knows anything doesn't use it.
What a huge mistake. Might as well just shut down guru3d as well. I don't mind them pushing it through Geforce Experience for the plebs to stay updated, but for god's sake leave the installers alone! No sane person wants your bloatware Nvidia.

And quarterly updates? Seriously? With all the Flak AMD gets for doing this you want to join them in hell? Every other Nvidia driver breaks something critical or causes crashes, they're not stable enough to be moving to a quarterly release schedule. Games don't release quarterly either. What the heck! It was working fine!

Someone make a petition.

 

Well, they figure that if 90% of the downloads are going through GFE anyway, then they may as well divide it like this:

 

Camp #1. Dedicated gamers who always want the latest Game Ready driver because they always buy the latest games when they're released can just use GFE. Besides, NVIDIA plans to make GFE a single-source destination for everything related to gaming. They're vision is to make this something that every gamer will truly love, even PC enthusiasts who are also very dedicated gamers. Unfortunately, there are many dedicated gamers who can be described as being in Camp #1 but who also hate GFE and programs like GFE - and consider such programs to be unnecessary bloatware garbage junkware malware, etc. So for those people, they feel that GFE is being forced down their throats. So I hope that GFE can easily be set to never start with Windows and to be completely exited when you close it so that you can just open it whenever you want to download the latest Game Ready driver. Like, use it as a driver installer and then close it when you're done.

 

Camp #2: People like me who rarely buy games. My newest game is Crysis 3, and that Game Ready driver was released on February 18th of 2013. lol So, even quarterly updates are far more than enough for people in this camp! I'm using 337.50 because that has turned out to be the best driver for me, and it was released on April 7th of 2014. I have no desire for a newer driver at the moment, so again, even quarterly updates is far more than I will ever need. STILL, what if a day comes where everyone is raving about the latest driver being the best driver that NVIDIA has ever created in their entire time of existence and it has helped improve performance AND STABILITY across the board for all games and all GPUS both new AND old (and very old)? What if that new driver happens to be released just a day after the quarterly release? What if I want that driver? CRAP! I'd have to install GFE just to get it and then deal with figuring out how to make sure nothing related to GFE is starting with Windows. Sigh.

 

Subgroup of Camp #2: people who aren't gamers at all but still have an NVIDIA GPU.

 

However, I never see that happening, so I'm a very happy camper in Camp #2. hehe My heart still goes out to everyone in Camp #1 though who does NOT want to have to install GFE just to continue getting the latest Game Ready driver as soon as it's released!

 

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And? I've never even looked at the terms for OCN, but nothing is stopping them either.

My point still stands, I've never been spammed by Nvidia. MS, EVGA, Newegg and several other vendors are far worse.

 

Do you receive ANY spam though? If so, then there's a chance that some of the spam you're receiving has come from third-parties who bought your e-mail address from NVIDIA (and MS, EVGA, Newegg, etc.).

 

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Originally Posted by jmcosta View Post

"Game Ready drivers"
does this mean all or only game ready?

 

It means that GFE will be required if you want to continue always being able to get the latest Game Ready driver as soon as it's released. If you're like me though and you don't care one bit, then the quarterly release through their website will be more than good enough - and I am assuming that when a driver is released to their website that it's the absolute latest driver on that day that you would also be getting through GFE. The very next driver that gets released afterward though will only be available through GFE until the next quarterly release on their website.

 

As above, NVIDIA seems to think there are generally two (or three) types of customers out there.

 

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I'm hugely disappointed with Nvidia, I'm honestly still not believing what I just read. They really want to go that way? They want to shove marketing, bloatware and mandatory telemetry down enthusiasts' throats? Many of the people that go to their site to download the latest drivers, no matter the percentage, are the enthusiasts, most of which like to have a lean system and control. GFE is the opposite of this.

I want the driver only. I don't use any of the gimmicks, I don't want to give them my e-mail, I don't want to opt-out of receiving spam, and I don't want to give them telemetry on what games I play and other usage data, because, yes, if you read about it, that is also part of GFE.

Give people options! What on earth is wrong with the current setup? People that want GFE, let them have it, I want the drivers only! What on earth is wrong with these companies lately?!?

This is a ridiculous, stupid and utterly counter-productive idea, which I hope is reverted before it even kicks in officially.


And if it doesn't, I don't care if AMD's next GPU uses 50w more than Nvidia's, my next GPU will be AMD (unless they do the same stupidity).

And for those that know me, I stick to what I say.

 

Wow. I could not have said this better myself! You actually verbalized my mind for me very well without even trying! Except, I will stay with NVIDIA GPUs because fortunately, I'm in Camp #2 as I described above. That doesn't mean that I don't care how people in Camp #1 feel because it honestly breaks my heart and it also makes me angry at NVIDIA for doing this to people I care about.

 

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90% is a bit generous - and they shouldn't simply remove the option of downloading manually.

 

They didn't, not entirely anyway. Those who want to continue always having the latest driver on the day it's released will need to use GFE. Those who couldn't care less (like me) and would even find that a quarterly release would be more than enough can just use the website for that quarterly release.

 

The reason why I don't care is, I'm not really a gamer. I enjoy playing video games and I do have nearly 20 games (a few of which are a part of the Humble Bundle), but the newest game I have is Crysis 3, and the oldest game I have is the first Unreal - or Descent 1. I don't know which is older off the top of my head, but my point is that I never have any need to install the latest driver. I'm still using 337.50 and I have no problems at all because for my computer and for my games, it's still far more than new enough - even for Crysis 3. The first Game Ready driver for Crysis 3 was released on February 18th of 2013 and 337.50 was released on April 7th of 2014. So, I'm all set even though my driver is just over a year and a half old now.

 

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I wonder if we can download GE get the latest update and then uninstall it right after. I don't need more input lag please.

 

I think it's possible that you will be able to just set it to never start with Windows. I've never installed GFE and I don't want to, so I have no idea what its options are. Even if it doesn't have a built-in option to do so, I would bet that you could still make it stop starting with Windows by either disabling it in Task Manager or deleting specific autorun or Run subkeys in the Registry.

 

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Originally Posted by Phillychuck View Post

So what about those drivers that only work well with certain games which requires you to play musical driver installation? I'm assuming GE will just pony up the latest and greatest.

I don't use GE, it was cute and all when Shadowplay first came out, but I have no use for it, and prefer not to have it installed, however I do enjoy having current drivers.

Those quarterly drivers better be rock solid.

 

There is no such thing as an NVIDIA driver that only works with certain games. The Game Ready drivers are simply optimized for the title that it's "ready" for. It's built upon the last driver, including all of its optimizations and whatnot for all the previous games. It doesn't mean that the latest Game Ready driver is no longer optimized for the game that the previous driver release was "ready" for.

 

Here's what NVIDIA's plan is in a nutshell:

 

GFE will be required if you want to always have the latest driver release when it's released.

 

If you don't mind updating on a quarterly basis (or even less frequently than that like me), then you can still download the newest driver from the website as released on that quarterly basis. I don't know what the quarterly drivers will be like. I'm hoping that they're simply the exact same latest driver that was also released through GFE on that same day. So, I'm hoping that once every 3 months, NVIDIA does a simultaneous release of the latest driver on both the website and through GFE. That would be the easiest way to do it, and so that's probably what they will do. I doubt that they will use the same naming scheme though of "Game Ready" because that naming scheme implies "frequent release due to the frequent release of new games throughout the year - we have to keep up!!" So the website driver, even though identical (I hope), will probably just have the old standard and boring naming scheme. By "identical", I don't mean that it's a separately-created driver. I mean, just a copy in order to give it a different name. Like, right-click, Copy, Paste, upload to the website. Y'know?

 

I'm hoping and assuming though that GFE can easily be set to never start with Windows. If so, then that would mean that you can have it installed but never have to deal with it unless you want to download the latest driver due to the driver being "ready" for a newly-released game that you just bought.

 

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Originally Posted by mechati View Post

So... quarterly drivers update because they want to release stable solid drivers
OR...
they are just lazy...

 

Nope. Check out what I've said in my replies to the quotes above. It might be a lot of reading, but then so are all of these articles that I've read. heh

 

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No kidding, though it does suck they will force their crappy program on us.
The only reason I need, I don't want some piece of junk bloatware on my system when all I want is the drivers. This is just Nvidia coming out with a piece of junk that hardly anyone is downloading so they are forcing it onto users to boost their numbers. (reminds me of google+ which is still failing after they forced it on millions)

 

They are claiming that roughly 90% of the driver downloads are going through GFE, and so they think they have two camps: people who always want the latest driver, and people who don't care one bit and are MORE than satisfied with a quarterly release. I think they are planning a quarterly release due to the stats they're seeing for their drivers being downloaded from the website. Personally, I'm still using 337.50 which was released on April 7th of 2014. lol It's more than new enough for my games and for my computer, so I'm all set. They could release a million new drivers and I still wouldn't be interested, at least not unless I had a brand new game that was just released! (but Crysis 3 is the newest game that I own, so yeah)

 

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What is to stop someone from just extracting the drivers and repackaging it on a filesharing website?

 

Well, apparently people are saying that GFE deletes what it downloads as soon as the download & installation is complete.

 

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Since you can just uninstall the program once you update your drivers

 

If GFE can be set to never start with Windows, then you'd never have any need to uninstall it.

 

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Originally Posted by umeng2002 View Post

the real reason they want to do this is to get your emails; but for what reason? I think they are moving to paid driver updates, tbh. It might take a few years of psyops moves like this.

 

I think you're being overly paranoid. I'm not trying to offend or to start anything, I'm just trying to make a very sobering observation (I'm being very straight-faced here, so please don't take offense).

 

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Step 2) require GFE to run all the time just to use the card.

 

I admit that I can see this as something that can be done, but I sincerely doubt that it ever will be.

 

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Step 3) Paid early access to beta driver (bundle drivers with AAA title pre-order "bonuses")

 

I sincerely doubt that this will ever happen. Drivers aren't the kind of things that you can charge money for, nor are they the kind of thing that you can do this with. There just aren't enough people who would be interested to justify setting this up.

 

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Step 4) Paid timely driver updates

 

That would never happen because of what I said above. If they did this, then they would quickly lose customers to AMD. No one in their right mind would buy an NVIDIA GPU if you had to also buy the driver. Don't say, "Well what if AMD does it too?" I doubt it so much that I'm pretty much 100% certain that this will never happen.

 

As I said, I want you to see that I think you are being overly paranoid - all because of what they're doing with GFE here. They aren't out to get us. Without us, they can't exist. Think about it. How can NVIDIA exist if no one is buying their products? If you have products to sell but you're not getting ANY sales, then what happens to you as a business? You cease to exist.

 

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I can only image if they hook GFE into the driver itself so you can't shutdown the program without stopping the driver... the door opening is getting bigger AMD...

 

I guess I can see them doing this, but with this move their making, they will have no need to do it because the vast majority will just let GFE start with Windows since they need the program anyway to continue getting the latest driver.

 

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Are they going to DMCA/ sue people for re-hosting drivers so non-registered people can use them? They're only doing this because they can make money off it somewhere, so logic dictates that they will sue people that share it unregistered people.

 

People are reporting that GFE deletes everything that it downloads as soon as the download & installation is complete. Now you might think that they have it do this so that people can't share what was downloaded with people who refuse to use GFE, but the REAL reason is to avoid taking up too much drive space. With how frequently they are releasing drivers, the total amount of consumed space would add up VERY quickly and piss off a LOT of people. "What the hell, NVIDIA? Make your program delete what it downloads after the installation is complete! Good grief! I have to do it manually because I keep running out of space!"

 

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Picking up $1200 Pascal Titan XYZ, and in the checkout cart it offers a $50 yearly service fee to get the most up-to-date drivers when AAA games are released. rolleyes.gif

 

Again, you're being way too paranoid. That will never happen because then people will just stop buying their products. Without sales, NVIDIA would go out of business.

 

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I don't mind it if GFE downloaded the installer and kept it instead of just installing the driver and removing the installer. It is pretty stupid to download the driver again and again just for troubleshooting.

 

The option should be provided (if it's not already) because presently, people are reporting that it automatically deletes what was downloaded as soon as the installation is complete. This is done in order to avoid consuming too much drive space due to frequent driver updates. However, I think many PC enthusiasts/power users etc. would prefer to have the option to keep the installer after the installation has completed. OR, even have the option to ONLY download WITHOUT installing! That would be awesome.

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ugh... googled gfe... got questionable links to "girlfriend experience" epic fail LOL:whistle:
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ugh... googled gfe... got questionable links to "girlfriend experience" epic fail LOL:whistle:

 

NVIDIA Girlfriend Experience. LOL

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