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post #211 of 268
I dont want your bulky, bloated, slow, klunky, boarderline useless, poor shadowplay quality/MB size, crap geforce experience program, let alone having to give you my email address for what? To get more junk mail?

Why thank you nVidia...another example of derps with power, companies, government, whatever, doing dumb things cause DErP!
     
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Create a dump email? Having to do this to use the hardware you've bought is acceptable to you?

Why should anyone ever need a dump email?

Since they don't want to use their personal email in fear of receiving SPAM, though there's no evidence to support that NVIDIA spams people.

I actually have 3 different emails that are used to sign up for different things, where I don't want to be bombarded in email from. Tons of sites and services require a name and email. It's nothing new.

Like I said, I seen some really long complaint posts ITR, less time could be spent on setting up an email address. wink.gif

This is coming from someone who has built email lists since 2002.

I think you're missing my point. Others are worried about junk mail. I am not. Spam filters and unsubscribe URLs are sufficient to not have to worry about that. I just don't see why anyone should have to provide identification to use the hardware they have already paid for.
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I think you're missing my point. Others are worried about junk mail. I am not. Spam filters and unsubscribe URLs are sufficient to not have to worry about that. I just don't see why anyone should have to provide identification to use the hardware they have already paid for.
For anyone who's never run a business, they could never understand the reasons why. I'm not about to get into an online business lesson with you guys. Already provided an alternative, and since that's rejected, do as you wish.
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The real issue here isn't any of the individual minor issues people are complaining about. The real issue is the cumulation of all said minor individual issues, while providing literally zero incentive.

Personally, I like having the ability to quickly and efficiently troubleshoot systems. Requiring a slow and often buggy driver download and install through GFE, which only ever offers the most recent version even when it has known performance or compatibility issues with certain system configurations, every single time I would like to install the drivers (even if it is literally 10 min after the previous download/install of the exact same drivers) basically makes that impossible.

Other people get really bent out of shape about having to sign in with an email, and while I personally don't feel that way, I also am not going to try and call them crazy and defend this move as there is literally no need or benefit to doing so.

Others simply don't like or use and of the features in GFE. Why install a program, just to disable everything about it, and leave it running in the background doing literally nothing, just to be able to update your hardware? That's absurd, even if it isn't particularly detrimental.

There are even users who do not have access to the internet on a particular system. I suppose they don't deserve functioning video cards?

Etc...

Even if you aren't personally affected by one of the particular points someone has issue with, you are likely still affected by another. Even if the impact isn't significant to you, it is still an unnecessary impact. Even if you LIKE having everything tied to one software suite, and actually do use all of the features, that is still not a reason to be robbed of the troubleshooting capability granted by alternative options, nor is it a reason to rob others of their primary and most effective method of keeping their hardware maintained. Remember, not everyone is you.


You know who I'm talking to.
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I like GFE, especially on my laptop for the optimized settings. I normally go in and adjust them slightly afterwards. But it gives me a good base easy without have to spend the decent amount of time figuring out how to get something to run nicely.
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Geforce experience is hands down the best piece of software ever developed by Nvidia. Said no one ever.... I dled a driver from it once and it annoyed the crap out of me trying to find where it even downloaded the file to. What a hassle. I'll stick with the quarterly updates.
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Geforce experience is hands down the best piece of software ever developed by Nvidia. Said no one ever.... I dled a driver from it once and it annoyed the crap out of me trying to find where it even downloaded the file to. What a hassle. I'll stick with the quarterly updates.

I don't know it seems to be a pretty smooth peice of software. Because you had trouble locating where it downloads the drivers is not the softwares issue. I an understand people not wanting to use it but its not bad software.
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Not a big controversy, I'll just do quarterly updates.
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I don't know it seems to be a pretty smooth peice of software. Because you had trouble locating where it downloads the drivers is not the softwares issue. I an understand people not wanting to use it but its not bad software.

Arguable. I've had it completely screw itself up several times.

That said, the issue isn't predominantly with the software itself, it is with the fact that the software doesn't offer all the functionality of the other methods it is soon to replace (such as offline driver updates).
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*STUFF*

They can not force their application to start with Windows. That is a Windows setting to make, not a program one. There absolutely will be a killswitch, even if it's hidden in Registry, like anything else.
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If there an important driver someone will upload it somewhere. But it sucks that Nvidia is limiting the new drivers this way.


But this is another push for me to go console and forget about PC gaming.

But what if GeForce Experience is deleting the installer after the installation is complete just as some people are reporting?

That is standard practice. Video drivers are large after all, don;t want to eat up them 120GB SSDs with a few dozen drivers a year ya?

Buuuut... Meh.

Install process:

1) Download EXE to be run.
2) Unzip (EXEs are just .zip files and a script, you can totally unzip them manually if you like) files into C:\Temp, C:\Windows\Temp or some other temp directory, AMD seems like like to do it themselves in C:\AMD.
2) Pause and ask to continue.
3) Pause existing services related to the program and make a temp backup of existing files.
4) Copy files from the Temp directory into their permanent home, in AMD's case, C:\AMD.
5) Start services and devices. Ensure operational status.
6) "Cleanup" Temp and backup files.

Use a process explorer to watch the program for an extract location and/or the download location of the EXE itself and kill the process during the post-extraction pause or even during the software instal segment if you don't mind breaking whatever was mid-install. Go to the location and grab either the extracted files and re-pack them as an EXE, or find the copied EXE itself and make a backup. The hardwired script can not track where you put it.

You can do a LOT with this, including getting the .INF files from driver installers so you can hack together support for hardware that "isn't supported" on newer OS's using drivers made for newer devices using the same chipsets. I did so with my Intel Dual-gig card, forced a newer INF so the software would work on Win8.

It's a script. Find it, which won't be hard, and abuse it.
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During the install the files have to be cached somewhere, people will just need to capture the file during the install and copy it somewhere before it finishes.

I was thinking about that as I asked, but what if it's not that simple? I know how this sounds, but I would think that NVIDIA has planned for the possibility that some people might want to do this and found a way to prevent it.

They really don't have any choice.

You're confusing who is in control here, and it isn't nVidia, it's the operating system. They are bound to Windows standardized install procedure, like anything else. It is perfectly possible to "Freeze" processes and do as you wish.
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