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I doubt this has anything to do with drivers.

This is about NV wanting all it's users running its spyware (okay, that's my personal definition of it...) on their machines.
 
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They know they can get more ad revenue through geforce exp.
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Originally Posted by mrawesome421 View Post

I doubt this has anything to do with drivers.

This is about NV wanting all it's users running its spyware (okay, that's my personal definition of it...) on their machines.

^This. It's about getting users to run GFE to enable something else, whatever that may be. Restricting drivers is a means to an end, not the end itself.
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They know they can get more ad revenue through geforce exp.

And this is probably it, if not a part of it.
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$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Everything will be open source in the future, we just won't get there very fast.
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Look, this is a dumb move, and no one should be supporting it even if they don't see any personal issues with it, as I've already outlined several times.

That said, can we stop with the tinfoil? It isn't helping anyone's argument, and is the exact reason why nothing ever gets done about any of these "outrages". No one with two neurons to rub together can take the conspiracy nonsense seriously, and the second you start spouting that nonsense, people dismiss the entire issue along with your asinine reasoning, even if the issue itself is very real.

Nvidia's motives here are obvious. It is to Nvidia's advantage if everyone is using the same driver version. Not for any nefarious purposes, not to steal your private data or to sell your emails, but simply to keep their development and support streamlined and cost effective. They don't care about the proverbial handful of guys who are getting screwed due to whatever complication, they care that the literal rest of the world is running on the same version and is experiencing the same bugs and is reporting said bugs automatically through the same automated system. That is literally all there is to it.

If you don't like that Nvidia is doing this at YOUR expense (and you shouldn't), talk about THAT issue, not some nut job rant about Nvidia's secret ties with the movement to revive Nazi Germany (and that goes for Microsoft, Google, and everyone else for that matter).
Edited by Zero4549 - 10/18/15 at 4:19pm
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Originally Posted by Zero4549 View Post

Look, this is a dumb move, and no one should be supporting it even if they don't see any personal issues with it, as I've already outlined several times.

That said, can we stop with the tinfoil? It isn't helping anyone's argument, and is the exact reason why nothing ever gets done about any of these "outrages". No one with two neurons to rub together can take the conspiracy nonsense seriously, and the second you start spouting that nonsense, people dismiss the entire issue along with your assasinine reasoning, even if the issue itself is very real.

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If you don't like that Nvidia is doing this at YOUR expense (and you shouldn't), talk about THAT issue, not some nut job rant about Nvidia's secret ties with the movement to revive Nazi Germany (and that goes for Microsoft, Google, and everyone else for that matter).

I don't buy that. If that were their goal they would be better off aligning their web releases with their GFE releases and limiting it to WHQL releases. There is no advantage to Nvidia to have some users on quarterly releases if their end goal is simply to have everyone on the same driver.

And there will always be people running the version of the driver that's best for the game they're currently playing rather than the latest. This would only work for them if they force driver updates through GFE, which I haven't heard anything about (yet).
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Originally Posted by Zero4549 View Post

Look, this is a dumb move, and no one should be supporting it even if they don't see any personal issues with it, as I've already outlined several times.

That said, can we stop with the tinfoil? It isn't helping anyone's argument, and is the exact reason why nothing ever gets done about any of these "outrages". No one with two neurons to rub together can take the conspiracy nonsense seriously, and the second you start spouting that nonsense, people dismiss the entire issue along with your assasinine reasoning, even if the issue itself is very real.

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If you don't like that Nvidia is doing this at YOUR expense (and you shouldn't), talk about THAT issue, not some nut job rant about Nvidia's secret ties with the movement to revive Nazi Germany (and that goes for Microsoft, Google, and everyone else for that matter).

No...

I think I'll stick to my version of what this is about. If you don't like that, just put me on the good ole' ignore list and feel free to continue your "nut job rant" about the "tinfoil hatters". rolleyes.gif
 
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I don't buy that. If that were their goal they would be better off aligning their web releases with their GFE releases and limiting it to WHQL releases. There is no advantage to Nvidia to have some users on quarterly releases if their end goal is simply to have everyone on the same driver.

And there will always be people running the version of the driver that's best for the game they're currently playing rather than the latest. This would only work for them if they force driver updates through GFE, which I haven't heard anything about (yet).

Quarterly releases are simply a transitional step. You can bet they will remove those as well once everyone forgets about how outraged they were and get used to just using GFE.

As for forced updates, I've never heard of any other software company moving to that stance in recent times... owait. Again, transitionary measures. In time you will see GFE be the one and only piece of software from Nvidia. They are simply doing it in a slightly slower and less outraging way than Microsoft.
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No...

I think I'll stick to my version of what this is about. If you don't like that, just put me on the good ole' ignore list and feel free to continue your "nut job rant" about the "tinfoil hatters". rolleyes.gif

Sounds good to me.
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Quarterly releases are simply a transitional step. You can bet they will remove those as well once everyone forgets about how outraged they were and get used to just using GFE.

As for forced updates, I've never heard of any other software company moving to that stance in recent times... owait. Again, transitionary measures. In time you will see GFE be the one and only piece of software from Nvidia. They are simply doing it in a slightly slower and less outraging way than Microsoft. Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Sounds good to me.

Yes, that sounds likely tbh. But I was still right, this is a first step in a bigger plan thumb.gif
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I think tinfoil hatters have been proven correct enough that we should be careful about dismissing it. Nvidia removed CUDA encoder from the 340.52 drivers and on for all consumer GPUs. I can't use TMPGEnc's Nvidia encoding on my card because they removed from the driver before the GTX9xx series' release. This is clearly a move to force people who wants to use those features to upgrade to Tesla cards. Nvidia is selling G-Sync module which is just a DRM module to check if you have that module on your monitor so they will allow G-Sync. Nvidia is selling 3DTV Play software so you have to either buy their 3D surround monitors or pay them a license fee to use 3D on a non-certified monitor. So no, I would not put it past Nvidia to start charging for performance drivers. They will cripple the free drivers to get people to subscribe to GFE Gold to get the good drivers. Now I'm sure people will crack it, but still, I wouldn't be surprised if they start doing it.
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