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Nvidia's motives here are obvious. It is to Nvidia's advantage if everyone is using the same driver version.

Heh. How exactly does requiring users to register for an account accomplish that? Unless GeForce Experience forces users to install the latest driver, there won't be any difference in getting everyone to the same version compared to today. One could even argue that fewer people would be on the latest drivers as I'm sure many users would see the account registration page in their browser and not want to sign up.
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i don't detest GeForce Experience, I find it helpful and annoying at times though. Helpful because it lets me know when new drivers are out and annoying because it always has to update or notify me of updates to game changes to my gaming library. Other than that, its a good experience.
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I found myself uninstalling/unselecting GeForce experience everytime i install the drivers...It just seems to offer no value and soak up resources.
Not to mention how annoying it is getting blatantly data mined by companies lately, had to make a new spam email address because the other one died of cancer
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I found myself uninstalling/unselecting GeForce experience everytime i install the drivers...It just seems to offer no value and soak up resources.
Not to mention how annoying it is getting blatantly data mined by companies lately, had to make a new spam email address because the other one died of cancer

I do the same with that rubbish that comes with AMD's drivers.
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Aside from the fact that GFE has no features that I want, it consistently failed every time I let it try to do a driver update. Got hung mid-install every single time. Guess I'll be on quarterly drivers now.
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Nvidia is taking one for the team and getting bad press to compel people to buy AMD and balance the ecosystem.thumb.gif
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The main problem with Nvidia's idea is that it's a reflection of where the PC industry is trying to go and I don't like it one bit.

They are essentially boiling the frog, just like Microsoft did with the Windows telemetry. At first there was none, then it was optional but turned on by default, so they can then use the argument that people use it and then make it mandatory despite all that we know about all major hacks going on, the flaws in the software and also despite the fact that they now have that Insider program that gets them a few million people willingly and knowingly giving them the data that they need.

Why do they need telemetry on 100% of Windows PCs, and the same applies to Nvidia, why do they need to know my system configuration and what games I play and how I play them (go read upon it, it's written in the terms)? This is nothing short of intrusive and creepy if it's going to be the norm. What useful metric are they going to get from it that they aren't going to from a very reasonable poll? If it's a major issue it will crop up anyway and if it's a minor issue it will get postponed because of economics just like it is today, so what is the point? Your very minority issue isn't going to get fixed any sooner, it will just be buried in the pile of minority percentage issues and get the same delayed fix (or never) as before.

But most troubling is the antidemocratic nature of it. Take Facebook and Instagram and Twitter and whatnot and all the people posting suggestive images of themselves, some on a daily basis. Whatever the reasons why they do it, at the end of the day it's their option to do it. I don't see any of these services putting forward a new policy mandating that everybody do it just because a few million people do it. Heck, even if the majority did it, the argument would be the same. What is good for some isn't good for everybody, not to mention that people should have the option to change their minds.

Coupled with that, it's taking away from the PC was it signifies against consoles: options. I don't have a problem with people installing GFE and using it, personally, I'm not using it because

a) I don't stream to Twitch or YouTube and I bet the majority doesn't either;

b) I don't own a Shield tablet or console and the vast majority don't either and neither do they intend to;

c) I also don't fill up my HDD with video game footage when I can fill it up with actual games; taking screenshots is enough for my needs (something that I hear ironically GFE doesn't do), and when I do, even the limited recording time of the free FRAPS is enough to catch the funny glitches;

d) I also don't use automatic game settings because I like to do it for myself and see what is the best compromise;

e) with the buggy nature of GPU drivers sometimes I stick to an older driver to play a certain game, but at others I need the latest one to play a game that just came out, such is the nature of game releases and driver releases.


And this is usually what the majority of enthusiasts do. Instead, what I read Nvidia' PR say to justify this move is a shameless bending of reality to fit their agenda.

None of their reasoning makes any sense or correlate to reality. The vast majority of people have no use for GFE and it's exactly the enthusiast that they are supposedly appealing to that likes to have the greatest freedom in setting up their system as they like, not by having processes running for nothing, all the while increasing the security risk of being exploited (with GFE being able to stream your desktop and all, it's another security vector to have in mind), and having to provide telemetry and personal details to Nvidia (it's also in the terms).


The fact is that the current system is fine. People that want to use GFE, fine, use it. Those that don't, don't. What Nvidia is doing is removing options and mandating that everybody do the same, holding the latest drivers which are fundamental to running the latest games hostage behind a privacy invading wall. This is antidemocratic and creepy and is very worrying as it signals the start of something even worse. Anybody who thinks that this is fine because of their personal case and because they will still provide quarterly drivers (for now), remember, you may not think the same in a year and you certainly don't think the same when you apply this lack of choice to other things in your life.

If we don't stand by some fundamental principles because of our very personal usage case, and if we start admitting exceptions left and right because it's not that bad despite the fact that it's wrong, you open the door for nasty things and then will have a very difficult time in justifying the moral standing if you want to change your mind once you realize where things went.

And the irony in all this is that in 2015 people that buy discrete GPU are the gamers, everybody else can just use Intel's CPUs or AMD's APUs and be fine even for some light gaming. So you're going the extra mile by spending actual money for actual hardware and you have Nvidia treating you as if the product was free.

(Which correlates to another lie from Microsoft because Windows 10 is both selling for the same price as previous versions of Windows and for those upgrading they still had more than four years of support on Windows 7 and more than seven years on 8.1, and they paid for that in one way or another, and are now getting worse conditions than before as I have explained elsewhere in detail).
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The main problem with Nvidia's idea is that it's a reflection of where the PC industry is trying to go and I don't like it one bit.
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They are essentially boiling the frog, just like Microsoft did with the Windows telemetry. At first there was none, then it was optional but turned on by default, so they can then use the argument that people use it and then make it mandatory despite all that we know about all major hacks going on, the flaws in the software and also despite the fact that they now have that Insider program that gets them a few million people willingly and knowingly giving them the data that they need.

Why do they need telemetry on 100% of Windows PCs, and the same applies to Nvidia, why do they need to know my system configuration and what games I play and how I play them (go read upon it, it's written in the terms)? This is nothing short of intrusive and creepy if it's going to be the norm. What useful metric are they going to get from it that they aren't going to from a very reasonable poll? If it's a major issue it will crop up anyway and if it's a minor issue it will get postponed because of economics just like it is today, so what is the point? Your very minority issue isn't going to get fixed any sooner, it will just be buried in the pile of minority percentage issues and get the same delayed fix (or never) as before.

But most troubling is the antidemocratic nature of it. Take Facebook and Instagram and Twitter and whatnot and all the people posting suggestive images of themselves, some on a daily basis. Whatever the reasons why they do it, at the end of the day it's their option to do it. I don't see any of these services putting forward a new policy mandating that everybody do it just because a few million people do it. Heck, even if the majority did it, the argument would be the same. What is good for some isn't good for everybody, not to mention that people should have the option to change their minds.

Coupled with that, it's taking away from the PC was it signifies against consoles: options. I don't have a problem with people installing GFE and using it, personally, I'm not using it because

a) I don't stream to Twitch or YouTube and I bet the majority doesn't either;

b) I don't own a Shield tablet or console and the vast majority don't either and neither do they intend to;

c) I also don't fill up my HDD with video game footage when I can fill it up with actual games; taking screenshots is enough for my needs (something that I hear ironically GFE doesn't do), and when I do, even the limited recording time of the free FRAPS is enough to catch the funny glitches;

d) I also don't use automatic game settings because I like to do it for myself and see what is the best compromise;

e) with the buggy nature of GPU drivers sometimes I stick to an older driver to play a certain game, but at others I need the latest one to play a game that just came out, such is the nature of game releases and driver releases.


And this is usually what the majority of enthusiasts do. Instead, what I read Nvidia' PR say to justify this move is a shameless bending of reality to fit their agenda.

None of their reasoning makes any sense or correlate to reality. The vast majority of people have no use for GFE and it's exactly the enthusiast that they are supposedly appealing to that likes to have the greatest freedom in setting up their system as they like, not by having processes running for nothing, all the while increasing the security risk of being exploited (with GFE being able to stream your desktop and all, it's another security vector to have in mind), and having to provide telemetry and personal details to Nvidia (it's also in the terms).


The fact is that the current system is fine. People that want to use GFE, fine, use it. Those that don't, don't. What Nvidia is doing is removing options and mandating that everybody do the same, holding the latest drivers which are fundamental to running the latest games hostage behind a privacy invading wall. This is antidemocratic and creepy and is very worrying as it signals the start of something even worse. Anybody who thinks that this is fine because of their personal case and because they will still provide quarterly drivers (for now), remember, you may not think the same in a year and you certainly don't think the same when you apply this lack of choice to other things in your life.

If we don't stand by some fundamental principles because of our very personal usage case, and if we start admitting exceptions left and right because it's not that bad despite the fact that it's wrong, you open the door for nasty things and then will have a very difficult time in justifying the moral standing if you want to change your mind once you realize where things went.

And the irony in all this is that in 2015 people that buy discrete GPU are the gamers, everybody else can just use Intel's CPUs or AMD's APUs and be fine even for some light gaming. So you're going the extra mile by spending actual money for actual hardware and you have Nvidia treating you as if the product was free.

(Which correlates to another lie from Microsoft because Windows 10 is both selling for the same price as previous versions of Windows and for those upgrading they still had more than four years of support on Windows 7 and more than seven years on 8.1, and they paid for that in one way or another, and are now getting worse conditions than before as I have explained elsewhere in detail).

applaud.gif Well said, it's a shame I can't +REP you
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the only issue i see there is nvidia demands for your email and registration with them

So you don't fill out the warranty registration card?
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So you don't fill out the warranty registration card?

Thank goodness for serial based warranties. Nothing worse than buying a card and then having to register it within X days or get shafted on the warranty portion :/
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