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Originally Posted by ladcrooks View Post

So caught with their pants down, doubt if it was mistake biggrin.gif

I am editing - That was no mistake

Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity. It's a large grey area when it comes to some of these companies, but still.

Also refreshing lack of MS shills and "lol u tinfoil hatters got something to hide? lolol Xdd" ****posters.
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Originally Posted by lrch View Post

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Originally Posted by ladcrooks View Post

So caught with their pants down, doubt if it was mistake biggrin.gif

I am editing - That was no mistake

Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity. It's a large grey area when it comes to some of these companies, but still.

Also refreshing lack of MS shills and "lol u tinfoil hatters got something to hide? lolol Xdd" ****posters.

This isn't Telemetry related, this is MS pushing harder for people to upgrade. Completely different topic.

If Win10 is to be a rolling upgrade OS like they wanted instead of a 3-year release plan, then I agree with them, it makes sense to get everyone on this train at once and as quickly as possible. Once people are on 10, if it goes how they wanted it to, they will always be up to date provided they allow the updates. Like Android, but without the carriers getting in the way.

Under this model, if your hardware is too old to upgrade farther, say a hardware component is no longer supported with drivers compatible with the new version, they simply deem it too old to support since you need to be fully updated for them to give you support. At that point, it's on the hardware maker to provide the support so that you may update further, or on you to get a new computer.

At the same time, they only have one major version to support at any given time aside from enterprise contracts that cost enough money to pay for a support team, making support easier for them.

*Shrug* everything relies on getting "them" to 10. So much so that they were willing to give it away for "free" for an entire year.
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can it run msi afterburner and play all my steam games? let me know when it can. thumb.gif

That's not the fault of linux but the developers that make those applications. There are over 1500 games on Steam available for linux, with more being added every month.
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post #124 of 256
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You can flaunt your "experience" all day long but I can come back at it. I have none. I'm just an average guy who decided to try Linux 3-4 years ago. I'm 34. Within a week I was hooked and it made more sense, and I found it easier in every single way to do anything and everything (except gaming). To say that it isn't simpler is not true. Guis are a mess usually. Apt is perfectly simple to use and far safer than going to some random website, downloading something, then searching for why your computer is infested with all kinds of garbage. Both do have their pros and cons. But talking about either as if it simply doesn't have its place in the end user environment is just ignorant.

Considering that both of us, and this entire thread is opinion it really doesn't matter. Everyone uses what works. Linux works great for many many people. If you or whoever can't make it work, more power to you. But don't insult any of us because you can't figure it out.




*EDIT* In the end it is irrelevant. The people that tend to have the most problems with their computers, linux or windows... are people who are always messing with things and tinkering. When you leave well enough alone they both work equally well. Neither is better than the other.
in 2009 i switched to ubuntu ultimate and run in on my main rig for about a year. tough only game i played was urban terror + whatever there was on linux as well. now we are 5-6 years later and a lot has changed since then. i was no genius but stuff like ubuntu ultimate or linux mint (there is also a pure debian version) are working and can be used. i had people to whom i installed linux and they worked on it for years, without any problems

you dont need windows, why the tablets are conquering world? cause 90% of people just surf www or email stuff. linux does that + gaming is now pretty easy to configure with playonlinux
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Originally Posted by De_stroyer View Post

So what if Microsoft is harvesting your data,
The phone you have, the bank you are with, the companies you have signed up with are doing the same thing.
I know 'Muricans and Mah freedom but seriously, what nefarious activities are you up too if this bothers you so much ?


>Also waiting for full DX12 games than everyone is on Win10 like a fat kid on cake

First of all, I'm Australian, not American.
Second of all, what is it with you people who are happy to give up privacy and trying to convince the rest of us to? Respect that we actually do care about it and give us the option...If we are right and it's used for much more than targeted ads and the like (Regardless of how intentional on the companies behalf it is) then forcing everyone to release every bit of information on their home PC to a company would be disastrous. There's been so many instances of companies being hacked and accidentally releasing tonnes of personal information...Remember Sony's PSN hack? Remember the fappening? Best way to stop that from happening to you in the first place is to not give that information to a company.
Thirdly, may I please install a camera in every room of your house and have a copy of your bank account details? After all, if you have nothing to hide then you have nothing to fear. thumb.gif
Finally, my phone is open source and has far less personal information on it because it leaves the house regardless, my bank cannot see what porn I look at, what I do in my spare time, where I enjoy going regularly, etc with very little effort (Just get cash out and use that) and "companies I have signed up with" (Which could mean many things) still can only see information relating to my interactions with them/is publicly accessible/that I give to them. Completely different from access to every personal document I've ever written, every photo I've taken or video I've made, (afaik) every keystroke I make since installing 10...Those are far, far more intrusive.
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Originally Posted by De_stroyer View Post

You think you are the only person with access to your account ?
I have an App on my phone for my bank, I also use my bank on my browser on my phone if the app is down,
I do banking on my home PC as well.

What could Microsoft ever want with the details of your bank account ? Theft ? Selling them ?

Saving your login data.

Then some guy in China or Russia decides to take a look in MS' servers...Low and behold, there's millions of bank details stored in plaintext. This has happened before to another company that really should know better.
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Originally Posted by KyadCK View Post

Apt-get will never be easier than simply pressing a download button and double clicking. Simply having to know the exact names of something puts them completely out of the running.

You mean like having to know the exact name of the program you want to install to Google it? Or the URL of the website? Because if you search "torrent client" when looking for qBittorrent for example, you're going to get a lot of chaff to sort through. Not to mention all of those fake download sites or other sites like cnet that install Adware along side real programs...Yup, much easier and quicker when you include all of that crap. thumb.gif

As for Linux not being polished enough for mainstream appeal...It's already used by the masses. It's called Android. (Minor kernel mods notwithstanding, that along with the billions of other devices that use *nix as a basis prove it can easily be ready for mainstream adoption)
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can it run msi afterburner and play all my steam games? let me know when it can. thumb.gif

No, but there are alternatives that actually match the system theme instead of sticking out like a sore thumb. Why does it have to be MSI Afterburner? It's an ugly program with plenty of alternatives like TRIXX or the bloody drivers.

No, but do you even play all of your Steam games? Linux has a tiny library compared to Windows, but still has something like 77% of Steams top 100 ported and released right now with that going up to 85% if you include announcements/confirmed ports. Personally, I don't care if I miss out on say...Farming Simulator 2013 or Dear Esther among thousands of other games I don't want to play for various reasons.
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I have to be careful when I turn of my PC. I have to make sure and hide the windows 10 update, or else I'm pretty sure the next day I will have a big surprise. I hope they stop forcing it, so far the past couple of days I didn't have to hide that update. We will see what happens.
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That's not the fault of linux but the developers that make those applications. There are over 1500 games on Steam available for linux, with more being added every month.
That's only partially true. As much as I love Linux, many of the Linux Steam games are subpar ports (even for this day and age). IIRC Borderlands 2 runs at half the frame rate on Linux compared to Windows. It isn't enough for games to exist on Linux. They have to run at a reasonable quality as well.
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I just got a new MB and I am ticked off that when I did a clean install of Windows 10 it decided my code was not going to be activated. I had to do a clean install of Win 8, then upgrade to Win 10 for it to be activated. Seems they should fix that.
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Still have to realize that the current version of Windows 10 is STILL a beta testing operating system.

Just have to look at the constant updates that are available all the time, due to all the new releases to make it usable and stable which is what all BETA testing systems are about.

Would rather wait until Redmond finishes doing all it's testing upon the naive shills and guinea pigs before anyone should ever contemplate installing this onto their systems.
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That's only partially true. As much as I love Linux, many of the Linux Steam games are subpar ports (even for this day and age). IIRC Borderlands 2 runs at half the frame rate on Linux compared to Windows. It isn't enough for games to exist on Linux. They have to run at a reasonable quality as well.

The same could be said about console games being ported to windows. Batman: Arkham Knight being a prime example. Is it windows' fault that it runs terrible? This is the reason open standards need to be used like Vulcan so it works on multiple platforms with equal performance instead of using a proprietary API that gets locked to a particular version of windows.

I don't own Borderlands 2 so I can't comment on that, but every game I have runs well.
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