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I've had updates off since June. I don't have the W7/8 version of the W10 telemetry updates and I don't have a copy of W10 downloaded to my PC ready for install. I didn't think it would come to this because I didn't think Microsoft would try to pull what they're pulling, but I didn't want to let them be set up to pull it either.

It looks like I'm not updating until the free upgrade period is over, screw DX12, screw PC gaming and screw Microsoft and Nvidia for making it come to that. I'll run what DX11.3 runs and then when that's over I'll be going back to consoles.
Edited by thegreatsquare - 10/20/15 at 12:17pm
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So you sit between your computer and your keyboard? Well that's just silly now isn't it?

Space restrictions. Computer sits behind me.
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Space restrictions. Computer sits behind me.

Lol, ok.
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its the data from the keyboard that goes to the computer, no? wink.gif

What's a keyboard? I touch a screen. smile.gif
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Looking sunnier everyday in linux land biggrin.gif
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What's a keyboard? I touch a screen. smile.gif
if you keep doing that, you'll go blind.
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Here's what I know about the "free upgrade".

On my Fujitsu Stylistic 500 series they installed a 60GB SSD and made 20GB of it "backup drive" and installed win8 on the 40 remaining.
With win8 I had 3gb free, with win8.1 I had 7gb free.

I am getting NO offers from MS to update the OS on the device (AMD Z60 1.0 dual core) yet windows keeps downloading the 3gbs of installer garbage every time I turn the tablet on. It doesn't care if I'm tethered to a phone, on a public wifi or home. So having to have installed software in my 7gb of free space to USE the tablet, I have just under 4gb free and microsoft keeps filling the remaining space with the pre-downloaded win10 THAT WILL NEVER HAPPEN and is never offered to me.

Win10 is malware to that device, effectively negating its usefulness for anything that requires storage of files and is especially worthless while win8.1 stealth-connects to the internet to verify I have all the files.
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I've installed win10 by upgrade on my surfacePro3 and it sure is slick looking. Youtube runs slower and about every six reboots "oh noez, teh staht meenu haz carashad, we'sa needza rebootin" and when the system has restarted - Cortana is back on and I have to go wipe my online data.

The ONLY computer that has been spared trouble is my main desktop which has had one of those "failed update" cycles going for more than a year. It isn't able to install the bigbrother code that was propagated down to win8.1 and win7. To save the Win7 OS on it, I disconnected all drives and installed 10pro from a CD to a fresh SSD.

Every time I boot in Win7 after running win10 it wants to check the hard disks and cleans up about 30GB of garbage that never seems to bother win10. On every hard disk. (six and a Revo)

MS is abjectly full of crap, everything they did can be installed in win7 and win8.1 by updates. Win10 just makes spyware work for microsoft.
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This has to be a CLASSIC post here in this section lachen.gif .
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Maybe Pebkac was a bit harsh and I apologize for that. But the point and fact of the whole matter is that the problems are on both systems. Saying that ONLY linux has problems like this is shortsighted at best, and plain bias at worst. As mentioned above people are so indoctrinated into Windows that they don't even think about all the trouble they have with it because it's all they know. Ultimately though for most people linux is far more stable, less headaches to deal with than Windows could ever dream of being. It's just different. People don't like change. Similar to how people pitch a fit each time a new version of Windows comes out. Or in the case of the linux world, the Gnome 2 > Gnome 3 change, and lord don't bring up systemd. That will start a fight.

You must be joking. I've had Mint, Suse and Arch break during or after updating, creating serious problems forcing a reinstall. These are mostly driver related so while Linux itself isn't to blame the entire ecosystem is. Saying that Linux is less problematic is seriously hiding the many issues that Linux has. Sadly I've had to go back to Win 8.1 on my laptop because I just couldn't get it to work. Couldn't connect to Homegroup, had serious artifacts (weird looking block under the mouse cursor), drivers acting weirdly, VPN not working (sadly there is only a Windows version), etc. but I won't give up just yet. As I said, I will try passthrough when I have the time to sit down and spend a lot of time on it.
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Saying it's more stable for "most people" is also a flat lie. Less headache even more so. Windows users outnumbers Linux users more than 100:1, the number of people who have never had a problem with windows in their life outnumber the total number of all linux users. On top of that, people who do move to linux are more like us, technical people that can fix things.

You hear magnitudes more problems about windows because the user base is simply that much more massive and the userbase less technically inclined. Not because desktop linux is anything special.

Commandline is not, never has been, and never will be simpler than a well made GUI. Apt-get will never be easier than simply pressing a download button and double clicking. Simply having to know the exact names of something puts them completely out of the running.

Linux is competent. Linux is powerful. Linux is not made for an End User and never has been aside from the always laughed at Ubuntu+Unity. Both have their pros and cons, and both have issues, but with personal experience on both sides of the fence for both servers and desktops/laptops, you're wrong.

Something I can't escape:
Download a Ubuntu .deb repository and try to install it.
It doesn't work because certain files need to be updated so sudo-apt update.
Update is complete, try to install the file through the GUI.
It doesn't work, off to find a command line.
Find video on Youtube that shows you how to do it. Instructions are: use sudo and drag the file into the terminal, then press enter.
Command can't be found. It worked for that guy, why doesn't it work here?
Oh, look, it's Mint 16, not 17.2. Epic fail, off we go to find 17.2 instructions.
Looking around on forums you find there are no 17.2 specific instructions as it should be universal.
Not giving up and knowing that you aren't stupid (you hope) but still hope you were imagining things, you go back to Mint and try it again.
LOLWUT? Why won't this damned .deb file work?
Maybe Linux just hates you and wants you to go back to Windows, which you do.

Another example: Teamviewer actually works properly in Windows but not in Linux. It connects to the client PC (one you wish to control), but then nothing happens on your screen as Teamviewer for some reason won't work when video drivers are installed on the PC you wish to control. Teamviewer works and if you can see the screen of the PC you are controlling you can use Teamviewer, but if you can't... have fun clicking on things that aren't there but won't disappear due to bugs.

This is a Teamviewer/GPU driver conflict but it makes a program like Teamviewer useless to me and I don't feel like having my laptop on my keyboard while I'm trying to use my PC to find a solution to the problems I'm having in Linux.

Linux will NEVER be a Windows competitor as long as installing a simple file requires the combing of forums and trying out several different command lines which don't work.

To make it clear I am slowly becoming familiar with Linux command lines but the fact that these commands differ between distro's and there being no uniformity between them all is one of the biggest problems that Linux faces (putting Linus' drama queenery aside). This doesn't mean that Windows is flawless, what MS have done with 10 is unacceptable and I am in the process of buying parts for a custom ClearOS router just to make sure all those addresses that my cheap TP-Link (will be used for WiFi only) can't block as they're too long.
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This thread isn't about linux. But I would agree, you can't installing hardly anything without the command line. That beings said, sudo and pacman are super easy to use if you aren't intimediated by the terminal. Basically sudo apt-get install . Occasionally you have to an in a PPA, which is one more command, then an updated, then you install. Its not for everybody, but at least you get to use whatever distro you bloody well please biggrin.gif.
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