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Please tell me you guys know you just uninstall update KB3035583, right? I couldnt read all 21 pages but surely someone has mentioned it. Once i did than, no issues. I plan to switch once they get some of the kinks worked out

There's a whole lot more to do than that if you're trying to remove new telemetry from W7.
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Anyone have a clue how to get rid of update KB2976978 in Win 8.1 if it dies not have "uninstall" button"?

Used the telemetry removal script and this failed to remove this thing. Though ok, I'll do it myself fired up powershell with admin rights, did the wusa /uninstall for it and get "... is required by your computer and cannot be uninstalled.".

So is there any way I can remove it manually short of fresh install of the system. This is W8.1 2-in-1 convertible laptop, I updated to W10 to see what it is about when it released and went back to 8.1 after noticing that going to W10 basically halved the battery life from ~12h down to ~6h (apparently CPU was running all the time at 100%, dunno why, telemetry perhaps?).
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I enjoy using Windows 10, but man if these kinds of stories don't continue to make me paranoid over Microsoft wanting further control of our computers and information on our usage habits.
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I enjoy using Windows 10, but man if these kinds of stories don't continue to make me paranoid over Microsoft wanting further control of our computers and information on our usage habits.

To be fair the first impression of W10 was for me far more positive than 8 or even 8.1 were. But for me cutting the battery life in half on a laptop is totally unacceptable. It's not even some arcane old lappy, its quite standard DELL 11.6'' ultraportable less than a year old and still in production and sold.
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Nags?.... Turn OFF Updates especially if you are on Win 7 and 8.1.

You control your computer, don't let it control you!
    
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I enjoy using Windows 10, but man if these kinds of stories don't continue to make me paranoid over Microsoft wanting further control of our computers and information on our usage habits.

That's the funny thing, if they came out and said what the data was being collected for, showed the processes that collected it and allowed you to easily remove it or turn it off if you want I'd wager that most people wouldn't care...Even just that last option, I would be on 10 now and most likely not posting about it if I knew I could turn it off and it'd stay off.
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Nags?.... Turn OFF Updates especially if you are on Win 7 and 8.1.

You control your computer, don't let it control you!

This is why I hate this kind of abuse of update systems...Updates should be something users actually look forward to from new features and bug fixes being added, not something they fear or hate because they're annoying (Another problem MS has..) and potentially screw your privacy up. People will just switch off and then not receive their security updates and bug fixes..
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That's the funny thing, if they came out and said what the data was being collected for, showed the processes that collected it and allowed you to easily remove it or turn it off if you want I'd wager that most people wouldn't care...Even just that last option, I would be on 10 now and most likely not posting about it if I knew I could turn it off and it'd stay off.

This is kind of what I'm curious about, what the heck they using it for? Also, what security controls are they using to ensure such data is not stolen or hacked into. Plus, the laws that some data, especially if its PII, that apply to it are actually being followed.

Heck, wheres their security policy for this thing anyway. Kind of curious.
 
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This is why I hate this kind of abuse of update systems...Updates should be something users actually look forward to from new features and bug fixes being added, not something they fear or hate because they're annoying (Another problem MS has..) and potentially screw your privacy up. People will just switch off and then not receive their security updates and bug fixes..

That is to be expected with the NEW Microsoft Regime which will ONLY get worse as time goes by.

Waiting for them to start screwing the businesses out there because that is where Redmond will get a sharp kick to their groin when a class action is launched. You can screw with us no hope home users but screwing with BIG businesses will only harness large payouts and losses within the legal system.
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Nags?.... Turn OFF Updates especially if you are on Win 7 and 8.1.

You control your computer, don't let it control you!
I agree. Forced Windows Update and Windows Defender are the absolute worst on Windows 10, a little hocus-pocus and you can disable them but forcing things is honestly the dumbest thing anyone could do with an OS.
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Alright. Fair point.

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Just a note regarding the matter that furthers my point and demonstrates Microsoft's reprehensible behaviour:

http://techreport.com/news/29231/microsoft-confirms-edge-wont-be-getting-extensions-this-year
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In a separate report from The Verge, a recently-leaked build of Windows 10 pleads with users when they try to switch the default browser away from Edge. The confirmation dialog hides the option to confirm the switch in plain sight by not placing it on a colored button, while the "cancel" button is clearly visible.


So, they plan on going the same dishonest route that they tried to get people to use a Microsoft account instead of a local account in Windows 8 / 8.1. And then they wonder why people are increasingly not trusting them.


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Originally Posted by Carniflex View Post

To be fair the first impression of W10 was for me far more positive than 8 or even 8.1 were. But for me cutting the battery life in half on a laptop is totally unacceptable. It's not even some arcane old lappy, its quite standard DELL 11.6'' ultraportable less than a year old and still in production and sold.

Well, considering that each time you type something in the search box even if you have the on-line search function off, it will still ping Microsoft's servers every single time, it's not surprising. They say it's to see if there are new features. LOL. Sure, because you need to have the latest search engine update every single time you search for something, it can't wait for a traditional Windows update. It's another form of keeping an eye on you, knowing your habits, knowing when you're searching for stuff, how often you do it, at what time, all in all it's another form of telemetry, a hidden one at that. Of course it will make battery life worse. It's appalling what they are willing to do and sacrifice in order to get people's data.


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Originally Posted by Brutuz View Post

That's the funny thing, if they came out and said what the data was being collected for, showed the processes that collected it and allowed you to easily remove it or turn it off if you want I'd wager that most people wouldn't care...Even just that last option, I would be on 10 now and most likely not posting about it if I knew I could turn it off and it'd stay off.


This is why I hate this kind of abuse of update systems...Updates should be something users actually look forward to from new features and bug fixes being added, not something they fear or hate because they're annoying (Another problem MS has..) and potentially screw your privacy up. People will just switch off and then not receive their security updates and bug fixes..


I'd say that Windows 10 updates cause both fear and annoyance because now feature updates aren't even described. You get one toggle here, another feature there, etc, and you have to rely keeping an eye on the tech media and hope that they catch up to it in order to learn about it, if and when they catch it. Considering how vast an OS is, it should go without saying that this task of enlightenment of the public should be on Microsoft's shoulders.

This is an unacceptable situation and it's shame that Microsoft thinks so little about non enterprise users.

I think some companies are paying too much attention to a subset of the public and drawing undue conclusions about what privacy should be. Not everybody is a teenager posting suggestive pictures on social media and not giving privacy much importance - for the time being - these people grow up too and we'll see how they cope with some of their earlier decisions. There are some very serious privacy discussions going on in Europe, and the latest decision about taking down the Safe Harbour agreement is only the start of it, and yet Microsoft, which on the surface appears to be concerned about it, is anything but, as you can conclude from this article. If they were really worried about people's privacy they would give them the instruments to keep it. What they are doing instead is saying something along the lines: "Your privacy is very important to us, but you'll have to share it with us". This is the definition of hypocrisy.


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Originally Posted by Ithanul View Post

This is kind of what I'm curious about, what the heck they using it for? Also, what security controls are they using to ensure such data is not stolen or hacked into. Plus, the laws that some data, especially if its PII, that apply to it are actually being followed.

Heck, wheres their security policy for this thing anyway. Kind of curious.


Well, for starters, they already started using the mandatory minimum telemetry - which includes your system configuration, peripherals and software installed to build a profile of what you have and then give you "app suggestions" in the Start menu. As is becoming more and more obvious everyday, the mandatory telemetry is used to data mine people, not to keep Windows running properly. They say it's not advertising because they aren't being paid by the app makers. No, really, they had the audacity to go there, making a formal argument and sidestepping the reality: 1. They are advertising their store, so it's advertising pure and simple and they are furthermore putting their store in a unfair competitive advantage over others' stores by giving it special code facilities in the Start menu, I wonder if they will let Steam and Origin and others access the Start menu to display similar suggestions; 2. They will get paid by the app makers once the consumers pay for and download said apps that were suggested, so all in all it's dishonest, to say the least, that this isn't advertising. It is 100% advertising.
Edited by tpi2007 - 10/23/15 at 7:47pm
 
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