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I mean all you really need to see is this image:

6074471784_b27f7425eb.jpg

Because that totally screams even cooling and vibration across all drives, and similar to consumer-grade environments rolleyes.gif

Pretty much. That's disgusting.
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post #52 of 88
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Originally Posted by Solohuman View Post

Oh yeah, mechanical drives here all the way.. 'they' don't mind being written too unlike SSD's, sure SSD's are fast at reads, but as this operator gets older... I don't need the fastest anymore..or just plain don't care .lol.. biggrin.gif

When I upgrade my current HDs, I"m still sticking to old school traditional mechanical drives.. for everything! ain't no compromise for longevity like this technology has proved.

This isn't 2009. SSDs can be written to without a problem for several hundred terabytes at-least...

What is it with people and misinformation?
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SSDs can be written to without a problem for several hundred terabytes at-least...

My recording array has seen several hundred terrabytes of writes, and I have no intention of replacing the drives in it anytime soon.

For most general use, SSD endurance is way more than sufficient, but it can still fall short for loads that are very heavy on writes.
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how is getting more than 100% failure rate possible? does it "fail twice per harddisk" or something?
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Originally Posted by epic1337 View Post

how is getting more than 100% failure rate possible? does it "fail twice per harddisk" or something?

Yes. It fails, you put it to a fridge, wait about a day. Then put it back to work. Cost effective! biggrin.gif
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how is getting more than 100% failure rate possible? does it "fail twice per harddisk" or something?

Could mean the replacements failed as well.

I've had some drives (most commonly Seagate and OCZ, but some others as well) where I've had to RMA replacement drives. Failure rate of my now fairly ancient Seagate 7200.10s is over 100% (most were RMAed once, two twice, and one three times...before warranty ran out and nearly all of them have subsequently failed), but I still have a single sample from the original batch with no issues and no reallocated sectors, despite over 60k power on hours.
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Originally Posted by Alex132 View Post

I mean all you really need to see is this image:
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6074471784_b27f7425eb.jpg

Because that totally screams even cooling and vibration across all drives, and similar to consumer-grade environments rolleyes.gif

backblaze is still a good source of reliability tests on harddrives.
all this shows is that, in extremely poor environment "X harddrive" has higher failure rate than "Y harddrive".
or in other words, if it passed backblaze's tests, then you'd have better chances on that model getting through countless years on a normal environment.

i mean hey, when did 24hours torture test to ascertain CPU reliability ever been the "normal" means of using a computer?
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Could mean the replacements failed as well.

I've had some drives (most commonly Seagate and OCZ, but some others as well) where I've had to RMA replacement drives. Failure rate of my now fairly ancient Seagate 7200.10s is over 100% (most were RMAed once, two twice, and one three times...before warranty ran out and nearly all of them have subsequently failed), but I still have a single sample from the original batch with no issues and no reallocated sectors, despite over 60k power on hours.
that makes sense.
Edited by epic1337 - 10/16/15 at 7:22am
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backblaze is still a good source of reliability tests on harddrives.
all this shows is that, in extremely poor environment "X harddrive" has higher failure rate than "Y harddrive".
or in other words, if it passed backblaze's tests, then you'd have better chances on that model getting through countless years on a normal environment.

The real issue here is they have different revisions of their enclousures. You don't know which drive is in a better enclousure and I doubt they mix up different drives.
This study is not 100% trustworthy. It can be useful and allows some conclusions but you can't simply be sure..

_
Since there is a completly different workload and propably a poor environment it will lead to high failure rates for seagate drives. But these drives could work very well in a consumer environment with low workloads. They are not designed for the server workload.
Now you might say they are worse than WD, Hitachi and toshiba drives because they are not able to work in a server grade environment and you might be right but what if seagates consumer drives have no vibration resistents due to cost savings?
With other words they would work completly fine for consumers.

But the last one here is wild speculation. Would love to hear an opinion from some of the HDD experts here.
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its still the same logic though, "if it can pass through worst means, then it can easily pass through normal means".
backblaze's tests may be inconsistent and differs on case by case (pun intended), they still get the results, seagate just dies a bit too much, and hitachi is ridiculously good.

as for vibration issues, if thats the case then i'll never pick up a seagate harddrive.
i normally use them on a place where it occasionally shakes.
e.g. my desk has wheels and it often ends up shifting a bit, and my entire desk would literally vibrate when my speaker's subs are on.
Edited by epic1337 - 10/16/15 at 8:31am
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Not the same logic, most of those drives that failed would work fine under conditions they're designed for. The only takeaway from the data is if you're trying to run a large 24/7 usage multiuser storage away some cheap drives are better than others.
 
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