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Point? You can have proper airflow in ITX just as well.
Oh, that's a relief! 980Ti will need that.thumb.gif
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Why would anyone OC? This question is on overclock.net? Let alone 20% performance boost, even 5% boost should be for the taking here for 24/7.

I am still in shock.
    
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Why would anyone OC his 650$ card? Yes just for benchmark, but for 24/7 people wont do that anyway. If you dont OC GPU it can last for a long time. But putting GTx 980Ti to 1400Mhz+ for 24/7 it may die in a year or two.

Basically I would prefer Fury X over GTx 980Ti for 1440P or higher resolutions. It runs cold, watter cooler and HBM... it will last and you will be able to sell it fast after 2 years.

Hi!

4 year old 6970m here.

Overclocked from 680c/900m to 800c/1000m for about 9 months now?

considering overvolting too, upgrading is less trouble though
    
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Why would anyone OC? This question is on overclock.net? Let alone 20% performance boost, even 5% boost should be for the taking here for 24/7.

I am still in shock.
It could be because of the differences between memory-first and memory-last architectures.
At these ultra high resolutions the primary bottleneck is the memory and memory doesn't tolerate an overclock favourably.
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The trouble is, HBM 1.0 is useless (equal to GDDR5 8.0GHz) for the current generation of video games, textures and 4K maximum resolution. Consumers using 8K are non existent, at best you'll have triple 4K gamers, or single 4K gamers. With 4K however, people keep forgetting that you don't have to be an active gamer to utilise 4K resolution. 4K looks amazing for native 4K media and photo editing, not to mention databases and excel spreadsheet work. Either way, the Fury X OC is still weaker than the 980 Ti OC in the vast majority of AAA modern games (don't get me started on pCARS which is boring in itself as a game). AMD's only saving grace is their new dual Fiji card - and only then if their dual GPU card has the XT variant fully unlocked and clocked at Fury X speeds. Fujitsu should help with fab of their new cards come 2016, but if AMD want to survive, they need to ship that dual GPU card out before the end of November.
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HBM1's only advantage is it's smaller, uses less power, and most importantly ... is a stepping stone to HBM2.

That's why nVidia elected to sit out HBM1.

They are letting AMD take the financial hit for helping to develop it.

The size issue is a moot point, no one really cares about saving that much room but be limited to 4GB, and as far as the power savings, even with HBM1 and less memory, the AMD Fury X with 4GB still draws MORE POWER than the GTX 980Ti with 6GB, so the power issue is a moot point.

HBM2 is the future. HBM1 is just a stepping stone.
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Why would anyone OC? This question is on overclock.net? Let alone 20% performance boost, even 5% boost should be for the taking here for 24/7.

I am still in shock.

Overclocking CPu is one thing, overclocking GPU is another. Based on experiences (reading forums) most of users dont have stable GPUs. GTX 970/80/80TI at 1500Mhz cannot be fully stable. While you can OC your CPU to 4.5GHz and it will last for more than 5 years... you cannot say the same for GPU. Example, if you buy FX 8320 and OC it to 4,2-4,5GHz with stock voltage or little higher it will last. If it dies you wasted 130-140$.I had may CPUs and OCed (under max safe V and fully stable) and all of them lasted... basically Non of my CPU died.

But lest say that you spend over 650$ for a GPU and you OC it because its great overclocker? sure sure. Yeah for benchmarks I do that but for 24/7 ... I prefer to stay at stable factory settings, because even with little OC (+50/100mhz) it is hard to get it fully stable (furmark 3H) - basically most of them will throttle - as you know most of GPU already (factory settings) throttle in Furmark.

Safe or little OC is good, but it will only give you like 5% boost.
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Originally Posted by 47 Knucklehead View Post

HBM1's only advantage is it's smaller, uses less power, and most importantly ... is a stepping stone to HBM2.

That's why nVidia elected to sit out HBM1.

They are letting AMD take the financial hit for helping to develop it.

The size issue is a moot point, no one really cares about saving that much room but be limited to 4GB, and as far as the power savings, even with HBM1 and less memory, the AMD Fury X with 4GB still draws MORE POWER than the GTX 980Ti with 6GB, so the power issue is a moot point.

HBM2 is the future. HBM1 is just a stepping stone.
No. HBM2 is just a stepping stone for HBM3. HBM3 is the future.
    
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No. HBM2 is just a stepping stone for HBM3. HBM3 is the future.

No!

HBM3 is just a stepping stone for HBMX4GhzEdition!

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I got the feeling that Knuckle's point was more along the lines of HBM1 being so short lived, and that its benefits weren't as extreme as they will be with HBM2. From what it seems right now, HBM2 will have significant jumps in performance compared to v1.
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The size issue is a moot point, no one really cares about saving that much room but be limited to 4GB, and as far as the power savings, even with HBM1 and less memory, the AMD Fury X with 4GB still draws MORE POWER than the GTX 980Ti with 6GB, so the power issue is a moot point.

AMD are a construction company. Pure, brute force to power the way through their task - this is evidenced by the raw power of the Fury X being 33% higher than the 980 Ti based on flops IIRC, yet still having the same or worse performance. If a game was 100% optimised for both platforms, utilising every single ounce of power in each card, the Fury X would blow the 980 Ti away. Unfortunately in real life usage, the Fury X has too much underutilised components on its board. Where AMD decided to chuck a load of compute intensive components on their cards, nVidia nerfed those and went for pure rendering efficiency. Hence why the TDP, etc, is better on the 980 Ti.

*As for 4GB issues, if devs stopped wasting VRAM on badly compressed textures and low PSNR textures then we would never need more than 4GB, even at 4K. SoM, I'm looking at you: "let's just give them our uncompressed textures (with a placebo increase in quality) in the form of an "Ultra" texture pack". The Fury X is perfectly fine at 4K, even with 4GB. AA is not needed for a 4K monitor smaller than 30". Anyone saying otherwise should go to the opticians, because they're sitting way too close to their display. Here: http://www.tweaktown.com/tweakipedia/90/much-vram-need-1080p-1440p-4k-aa-enabled/index.html
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