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Its just not about FLOPS. A game will probably never be able to truly use 100% of a GPU's resources both because of microarchitecture flaws and software inefficiencies. Just like CPUs, GPU power is really a matter of how many streaming processors are being able to be taken advantage of and in use for every cycle.

However, because of the parallel nature of graphics computing, its much easier to throw more cores at the problem than to make the ones you have more utilized. However, just spamming more and more cores has its limits, especially in terms of efficiency of both space and energy.

Also, different games are going to stress different things. We all know how Crysis 2 had an absurd amount of tessellation (very likely to give NVIDIA cards the edge unfairly) but on the flip side games that are going to use more compute than just pure rasterization is going to give AMD GCN cards a considerable edge.
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Originally Posted by PostalTwinkie View Post

Oh look, those of us talking about AMD selling off in parts or whole for the last several months weren't crazy.

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Pay attention kidos, maybe the old farts still have a thing or two to teach you.

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No credible or knowledgeable person would get this kind of personal vindication from guessing correctly about an obvious event such as this.
The way you're matching it with condescension and self aggrandizing just goes to show how rare it is for you to be right.

"Old farts" win debates by being well informed and knowing the facts. Not by preemptively deterring conversation. Please don't associate with us.

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Except the part where myself and a few others were flat out attacked over our statements. The only reason I point it out is because of how aggressive AMD WhiteKnights were in the attacks against those of us that can see AMD's position.

I find it hilarious you take such offense to my pointing it out. Considering it is, in this situation, completely warranted on my part. Hell, even your own post is another attack against us who have long held the position.

Then again, frankly, I have been around too God damn long to care what you think. I will happily take my position and defend the fact that this was seen coming from a long ways away. Yet people still called us every name in the book.

Grow up.
News flash: AMD has been suffocating for years. People are annoyed by you because you seem to think you're the prophet Zechariah for predicting that a failing corporation would sell off assets, lay off employees, and forfeit shares to stay afloat.

I bet you just revel in your own prophetic genius when you end up eating exactly what you said you'd make yourself for breakfast in the morning. "I told you kiddos that this would happen, but everyone attacked 'us' for saying it. Maybe you'll learn something from 'us' old farts next time we say what everyone knows is going to happen."

You prefer to rely on self-aggrandization instead of putting together a quality post. That's why people call you ("us") every name in the book. You're not "us," by the way, you're you. Stop trying to hide behind the millions of folks who aren't surprised to see a financially failing corporation failing harder. Even in your response to me accusing you of that, you just couldn't help yourself. You said "frankly I have been around too long to care what you think."

I've been a member longer than you, by the way, since that sort of thing matters to you. Actually I guess, if I want to shut you up, I should just reduce my argument to your level:

Postal Twinkie, maybe now you will learn to listen to us old farts and stop acting like a child. I've been here so long I don't even know why I'm wasting my time on you. I guessed that Intel would beat AMD 5 generations in a row after Bulldozer was released and I was right. You kiddos should really just try to learn something from us old farts. You should remember how great every I say is, because I'd hate to put together such a compelling argument every time I want to feel like I'm winning an argument. Even though I'm right so often people still don't respect me because they're so dumb.rolleyes.gif
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Everyone gets attacked for something. You guys and your AMD vs. Nvidia are really quite pathetic.

there are a few of us that are constantly belittled for being laptop enthusiasts in a PC forum, many of which, stopped posting here altogether, many of which had lots of good information to bring to the table. like, omg why would you OC a laptop...like, if you spill liquids on the laptop it will fry, laptops are doomed because of being mobile. Its a good thing Nvidia locked overclocking, you shouldnt be able to do that.

Every now and then we still get people invading laptop suggestion threads suggesting desktops, those are fun.

Your passion in debate grows because you have a counter party. Try for a moment when 95% of the community you care for doesnt even acknowledge you as a debate partner because ad hominem and laptop owner. Makes me spend more time on Tech | Inferno, the community is better for chasing more performance out of your machine, unlike over here where its about brand wars 70% with some overclocking events.

I can see where Mooksters original issue is (for this thread, I dont track the posts of people), I dont think there is any point in explaining it though, it will only result in me grabbing a shovel with you two, and I'm not one for digging
    
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Are you also going to say that the US Government should just force AMD to give the x64 license to other companies too, or do you just want to screw over Intel and their intellectual property?

 

Sure, Why not. the more people who have the chance to produce x86-64 chips the better.

Also i don't give a rats ass about intellectual property when it starts to hurt the customers .

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The 7970 was AMDs best launch the past few generations. Drivers were actually quite good from the get go and really maxed out potential less then a year later. That was when the 680 came out 2 months later and really only matched the 7979 stride for stride at 1080 and under. Obviously having 3 more years to tube drivers is going to yeild a bit higher performance, that isn't a bad thibg and as more games came out, more optimizations are going to happen.

But what its really about is how a 3 1/2 year old car still hangs around pretty well.
had the driver is being good at the launch date, it would have been much faster than 680, it would allow AMD to sell 7970 a lot more than 680(or push GK104 to be sold as gtx 660).

It is the very same driver team has been constantly making a good hardware under perform, AMD need to stop cutting corners on their driver team.
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Every now and then we still get people invading laptop suggestion threads suggesting desktops, those are fun.

Reporting in for duty sir, here to recommend the use of both laptop and desktop as still overlooked to this day in threads.

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Reporting in for duty sir, here to recommend the use of both laptop and desktop as still overlooked to this day in threads.

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If you have further valid input, I recommend inputting it in the thread in question.
    
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No!

HBM3 is just a stepping stone for HBMX4GhzEdition!

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I got the feeling that Knuckle's point was more along the lines of HBM1 being so short lived, and that its benefits weren't as extreme as they will be with HBM2. From what it seems right now, HBM2 will have significant jumps in performance compared to v1.
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Exactly.

HBM1 will out for less than a year before it's successor comes out with double the capacity and double the speed.

People seem to forget that we have been living with GDDR5 for nearly 7 years now, so the GDDR5X issue really isn't a fair comparison. To my knowledge, HBM3 information is non-existant at the moment.


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AMD are a construction company. Pure, brute force to power the way through their task - this is evidenced by the raw power of the Fury X being 33% higher than the 980 Ti based on flops IIRC, yet still having the same or worse performance. If a game was 100% optimised for both platforms, utilising every single ounce of power in each card, the Fury X would blow the 980 Ti away. Unfortunately in real life usage, the Fury X has too much underutilised components on its board. Where AMD decided to chuck a load of compute intensive components on their cards, nVidia nerfed those and went for pure rendering efficiency. Hence why the TDP, etc, is better on the 980 Ti.

*As for 4GB issues, if devs stopped wasting VRAM on badly compressed textures and low PSNR textures then we would never need more than 4GB, even at 4K. SoM, I'm looking at you: "let's just give them our uncompressed textures (with a placebo increase in quality) in the form of an "Ultra" texture pack". The Fury X is perfectly fine at 4K, even with 4GB. AA is not needed for a 4K monitor smaller than 30". Anyone saying otherwise should go to the opticians, because they're sitting way too close to their display. Here: http://www.tweaktown.com/tweakipedia/90/much-vram-need-1080p-1440p-4k-aa-enabled/index.html

And if 'IF's" were $100 bills, AMD would the be most profitable company in history. But they aren't and thus, they aren't.
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HBM1 already comes with extreme benefits, captains. Each vram stack's transmission rate is equal to 5 gddr5 modules in performance. HBM2 won't be just as revolutionary.
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