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What you just described (purposefully tubing performance) is illegal as all Hell. While they can do it, they wouldn't. It would be noticed and acted on.

That's probably debatable. The class action lawsuit against Sony for removing OtherOS as a feature was tossed out because according to the court you don't have a reasonable expectation to maintain features after a warranty expires.
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Now to sum this up, and please correct me if I'm wrong, so AMD recently split the CPU and GPU divisions and now they have sold 85% controlling interest of their CPU division?

This could help with Zen tweaks somewhat, but it's probably too late for any major rework. Hopefully, Zen can hold its own so that the new influx of Fujitsu money may prove worthwhile for the generation after Zen.
 
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Now to sum this up, and please correct me if I'm wrong, so AMD recently split the CPU and GPU divisions and now they have sold 85% controlling interest of their CPU division?
Wrong.
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AMD (NASDAQ: AMD) and Nantong Fujitsu Microelectronics Co., Ltd (NFME) (SZSE: TFWD) today announced the signing of a definitive agreement to create a joint venture combining AMD's high-volume assembly, test, mark, and pack (ATMP) facilities and experienced workforce in Penang, Malaysia and Suzhou, China with NFME's established outsourced semiconductor assembly and test (OSAT) expertise. Upon close, the new business will leverage the capabilities of 5 facilities and approximately 5,800 employees to offer differentiated ATMP capabilities and scale to service a broad range of customers.
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Still not in English. So they sold the CPU/chip assembly plants?

Did they not also sell Global Foundries a few years back?

So to sum up then, AMD are selling off any potential of making their own products.
 
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Yay, higher prices. Everyone loses. Everyone.

I don't think so. Higher prices = less upgrades.... Thats all.

If GPUs are expensive because Nvidia is the only company making it. This means pple will not buy expensive graphics cards and will not upgrade.

Just look at CPUs, Intel is effectively the only company making CPUs (whether AMD exist today or not makes no difference). Do we users suffer as a result of that? I don't think so.

AMD is not exactly competing well with Nvidia in terms of GPUs, Nvidia is dominating the market. Do we users suffer? I don't think so as well.

So, whether there is only 1 company or 2 companies supplying the world, I would say it makes no difference.
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So, whether there is only 1 company or 2 companies supplying the world, I would say it makes no difference.
Regardless of how irrelevant AMD is, they still keep nVidia and Intel prices under control. Without AMD, there is no reason Intel or nVidia can't start charging $600 for entry level processors.

You act as if the only people that buy PCs are enthusiasts who already have PCs. There's a gigantic new PC market that would be impacted
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And history also shows that when there is money to be made, because there is no competition, someone will step in and become that competition.


Your forgetting basic economics 101, whether someone steps in or not depends entirely on barriers to entry and this case, especially for CPUs, they are incredibly high.
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uh...what?

The mobile sector has been whining since 2012. Obviously being a desktop dominated forum your ears to deaf to the issues that have come and gone in the mobile arena.
    
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And if Intel and nVidia has no competition what so ever and no other company buys the assets and makes a go of it ... which is EXTREMELY unlikely, then Intel and nVidia's biggest competition will be ... Intel and nVidia.

If they don't improve their product, then people will just KEEP the chips and cards that they ALREADY HAVE. That costs people $0. Even if AMD up and vanished like a fart in the wind (again, which will NEVER happen) and no one else makes a go of it, they still have to keep ADVANCING and pricing at a reasonable price, otherwise people will just keep using what they got. If a post AMD CPU from Intel is $1500 and only 10% faster, then no one will buy it. They will keep doing what they do. Same for nVidia. If there is no performance gains, and the price is $2000, then no one will buy it.

It's not like CPU's and GPU's have an expiration date like milk. You can use them for 10-20 years. Trust me, I have some really old systems at work that just won't die (and some are still running Windows 95!).


So everyone, please spare me the doom and gloom. Not only will Intel and nVidia keep innovating and keep prices low (reasonably) even if there is no AMD or anyone else (because if they do, their sales will drop to near ZERO ... other than people buying new computers for the very first time), but other companies will fill a niche when it becomes profitable. Hell, just look at Qualcomm coming out with a 24 core processor.

Yes we can clearly see how this works out in the US with ISP's. You are welcome to your monopoly, the rest of us don't want it.
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And history also shows that when there is money to be made, because there is no competition, someone will step in and become that competition.

Excellent, I'll start making CPU's on my balcony because fabs don't cost anything and R&D can be done by anyone on a piece of tissue.

Intel and AMD must be really inept for them to take five years on a node and having to spend billions upon billions on their fabs (Intel, TSMC, GloFo).
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Yes we can clearly see how this works out in the US with ISP's. You are welcome to your monopoly, the rest of us don't want it.

Your ISP parallel is false.

You pay for access in an ISP, it is a service, not really a good. It also is something that expires every month.

Not so with a CPU or Video card. Once you buy either of those, they last for YEARS.

So again, you trying to draw a parallel with a regulated to death industry (when many cities actually have passed laws to PREVENT competition) is totally inappropriate.
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