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I don't think so. Higher prices = less upgrades.... Thats all.

If GPUs are expensive because Nvidia is the only company making it. This means pple will not buy expensive graphics cards and will not upgrade.

Just look at CPUs, Intel is effectively the only company making CPUs (whether AMD exist today or not makes no difference). Do we users suffer as a result of that? I don't think so.

AMD is not exactly competing well with Nvidia in terms of GPUs, Nvidia is dominating the market. Do we users suffer? I don't think so as well.

So, whether there is only 1 company or 2 companies supplying the world, I would say it makes no difference.

Like someone here already said, I believe that a world without AMD will force Intel and NVIDIA to compete against themselves. However, that kind of competition will be weak.

Additionally, because AMD has been doing poorly, Intel is not being innovative enough and NVIDIA's prices for the flagships have doubled.

So a world without AMD will just make things worse.

Albeit, I would not discount other companies stepping up to the plate.
 
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If AMD goes down then i will just have to find a different hobby. I am thinking of body building.
LOL. Sigged right there.
On topic: 2016 should be an exiting year. It'll show if AMD is a 1 or a 0, binary speaking.
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I have always been curious about something as someone that came in pretty late in the industry (did not follow tech news before like 3years ago)

How in the world AMD happened to be in 2wars (GPU and CPU) at the same time? Were they industry leader in either of them for start or they did actually started out this and why in the world would you do that?
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I have always been curious about something as someone that came in pretty late in the industry (did not follow tech news before like 3years ago)

How in the world AMD happened to be in 2wars (GPU and CPU) at the same time? Were they industry leader in either of them for start or they did actually started out this and why in the world would you do that?

AMD started out producing CPU's, not too shabby either and were in competition against Intel. However they pretty much "lost" against Intel with the introduction of the core series. They bought the company ATI back in 2006 , and that's where their GPU department comes from. Now they're competing against Intel and Nvidia at the same time.
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I feel like AMD are in safe hands with Fujitsu tbh
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I have always been curious about something as someone that came in pretty late in the industry (did not follow tech news before like 3years ago)

How in the world AMD happened to be in 2wars (GPU and CPU) at the same time? Were they industry leader in either of them for start or they did actually started out this and why in the world would you do that?
They bought ati because they predicted that gpus would be integrated and heterogeneous cpus/software would eventually take off.
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Like someone here already said, I believe that a world without AMD will force Intel and NVIDIA to compete against themselves. However, that kind of competition will be weak.

Additionally, because AMD has been doing poorly, Intel is not being innovative enough and NVIDIA's prices for the flagships have doubled.

So a world without AMD will just make things worse.

Albeit, I would not discount other companies stepping up to the plate.

It was me.

And yes, it is weak competition, but honestly, looking at AMD vs Intel, there really is no competition to speak of for the desktop ... which is what we are here about.

GPU's, yeah, AMD fairs a little bit better against nVidia, but quarter after quarter since 2006 (actually since the day that AMD bought ATI ... that was the last time more people owned a video card NOT made by nVidia), nVidia has grown in market share and become less and less concerned by AMD.

So yeah, right now, the competition from AMD is weak at beast. I just don't see it getting a whole lot worse for the consumer than it already is.
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They bought ati because they predicted that gpus would be integrated and heterogeneous cpus/software would eventually take off.

Yup, among other reasons.

Intel was developing the first integrated GPU into their CPU. AMD caught wind of it and knew that if Intel had that and they didn't, they would be blown out of the water. So they approached ATI and "Fusion" was born. That was 2006.

Intel launched their first CPU+GPU in 2010, AMD (now with ATI bought), launched theirs in 2011. Phil Rogers, who recently quit AMD and now works for nVidia, renamed "Fusion" to HSA (Heterogeneus Systems Architecture) in 2012. Thus the AMD APU was born .... in response to what Intel came up with earlier.
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but quarter after quarter since 2006 (actually since the day that AMD bought ATI ... that was the last time more people owned a video card NOT made by nVidia

Ok... So the 4XXX / 5XXX ATI cards never were produced, and the initial Fermi 4XX cards were awesome in this world of yours. What else?
 
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I have always been curious about something as someone that came in pretty late in the industry (did not follow tech news before like 3years ago)

How in the world AMD happened to be in 2wars (GPU and CPU) at the same time? Were they industry leader in either of them for start or they did actually started out this and why in the world would you do that?

Before the merger was in the works, AMD were whupping intel before the core(2 duo) line launched with intel's pentium 4 being in the same sorry state that today's AMD processors are.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/1722/6

But they're not the market leaders because intel had more money and marketing. That's why yours truly had a P4 build for his first computer and laughed at a friend who had a slower clocked AMD's Athlon. tongue.gif


ATI and nvidia used to trade blows but theis first graphics card after the merger of AMD and ATI was 2900XT which sucked compared to its competition 8800GTX. Sucked horribly. That basically cemented nvidia's top dog place for a generation and the after effects are still felt.


Amusingly, AMD were ready to go for nvidia if not for nvidia's CEO(who worked at AMD before) stubborn refusal to allow the merger if he wasn't made the CEO of AMD.
    
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