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No,your logic fails. If a 290X is good enough for "you",then why would "you" jump in every thread where a 290X is being suggested, and then rant about how 290X is "inferiorer!" Don't buy inferiority! That is exactly what I've been saying all along.

It was obvious that the "trolls" had become a force of their own,able to effect the market on a grand scale.Able to influence purchase decisions above and beyond logical factors.This relatively new phenomena in the internet retail world would end up preventing an AMD from gaining marketshare even if they made products good enough to warrant it.

I have recommended the 290X several times, in fact on a fairly regular basis. I would never recommend something I wouldn't buy. So at this point you are just making things up in order to try and keep your position, which is sad. Now, that isn't to say I won't recognize that the 290X is slower than other offerings, just because I buy and recommend something doesn't mean I won't recognize both its pros and cons. Which is a huge issue with a number of you people.

You have it on both sides; people that won't buy AMD because it isn't Nvidia, and make insanely false claims about the merits of something like the 290X. Then you have the group that like to believe a 290X beats out the Titans and that Nvidia purposefully lowers performance via drivers in order to move cards.

So, again, your position is completely and totally misguided.

EDIT:

I would like to point out that for the most part, AMD's failure isn't so much their products, but their management and communication to the customers. Their entire marketing campaign for their GPU division was terrible, and at times offensive. AMD wouldn't be sitting where they are now if they had proper management leading them.
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The licensing behind the X86-64 is a cross licensing between Intel and AMD: don't just point fingers at Intel and say its all their fault.

Anyway AMD needs to step up or go away. The reason why you are seeing $1000 Titan Xes and $650 980 Tis is because AMD is unable to really compete with NVIDA... let's just be honest here. It took AMD months just to come up with something that only managed to match, but not beat the competition. Plus, they leveraged new technology (HBM)!

I much rather have someone with more capital and better leadership by the board members than to have a shell of a company keeping Intel and NVIDIA in a comfortable position where they dominate enough to collect massive profits but not enough to be hit with antitrust lawsuits and actions.

iirc AMD can't license it out, so in that case it would all be on intel. and I am speaking of strictly x86, not the x86-64 thing intel, and AMD have going on.

And in the event of a company collapse or buyout i don't think the license is transferable

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The hilarity is that those of you who attacked us are now saying "It was obvious it was going to happen", in defense of the attitude toward us now. Which doesn't make a Hell of a lot of sense, because if it was "obvious", why did you attack those of us talking about it before? If it was "obvious", as two of you have now claimed, why didn't you simply agree in the past, instead of attacking?

You can't have it both ways, not obvious to attack us in the past, and obvious now to attack us now. Oh, and for rubbing it in the faces of "people who have purchased AMD products in the past", I guess I rubbed it in my own face as well if that is your only qualifying criteria.

I'm sorry, you must be confusing me with someone else on this forum, because I've never defended the idiotic practices of AMD, nor have I denied the situation that they've been in past or present. I'm just saying that you guys seem really petty when it comes acknowledgement for your great deeds. And inevitably when you're proven right, it's like a perpetual back patting fest.
 
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iirc AMD can't license it out, so in that case it would all be on intel. and I am speaking of strictly x86, not the x86-64 thing intel, and AMD have going on.
And in the event of a company collapse or buyout i don't think the license is transferable

The U.S. Gov has a few anti-trust measures in place that require Intel to make good faith negotiations for licensing with a new owner of AMD should they sell. Those rules also allow the Government to step in if they feel Intel isn't giving good faith efforts.
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I'm sorry, you must be confusing me with someone else on this forum, because I've never defended the idiotic practices of AMD, nor have I denied the situation that they've been in past or present. I'm just saying that you guys seem really petty when it comes acknowledgement for your great deeds. And inevitably when you're proven right, it's like a perpetual back patting fest.

Well, easy to confuse you with the others when you are running on the same bandwagon. As for the rest of what you said; I like putting my hands on myself.

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A lot of justification going on in this thread now lol
    
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Lol any threads about Nvidia or AMD really brings out the best of people on this forum thumb.gif
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Lol any threads about Nvidia or AMD really brings out the best of people on this forum thumb.gif

There's no ambiguity on the CPU front.
At least with GPUs, there's endless discussions about upside.

OCN is second only to /r/AMD in enthusiasm - that's the nicest way I can put it tongue.gif
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Oh look, those of us talking about AMD selling off in parts or whole for the last several months weren't crazy.

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Pay attention kidos, maybe the old farts still have a thing or two to teach you.

I don't know what your age has to do with anything. I think for most people it was obvious that something had to give.
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The licensing behind the X86-64 is a cross licensing between Intel and AMD: don't just point fingers at Intel and say its all their fault.

Anyway AMD needs to step up or go away. The reason why you are seeing $1000 Titan Xes and $650 980 Tis is because AMD is unable to really compete with NVIDA... let's just be honest here. It took AMD months just to come up with something that only managed to match, but not beat the competition. Plus, they leveraged new technology (HBM)!

I much rather have someone with more capital and better leadership by the board members than to have a shell of a company keeping Intel and NVIDIA in a comfortable position where they dominate enough to collect massive profits but not enough to be hit with antitrust lawsuits and actions.

Problem with your statement is that the graphics are equal and designed completely different playing on variously different strengths. Strengths that give a console system more leverage than it would as a PC. I'm not saying AMD is the same as NVidia, but 4 year old cards by AMD are still DX12 relevent. When an older AMD card gets caught up on drivers it becomes more relevent in performance matching or even competing with newly released cards.
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I would like to point out that for the most part, AMD's failure isn't so much their products, but their management and communication to the customers. Their entire marketing campaign for their GPU division was terrible, and at times offensive. AMD wouldn't be sitting where they are now if they had proper management leading them.

Giving out crisps at IDF is funny but immature. Trying to steal away reporters and luring them to their own 'convention' is pretty desperate.
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