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Not likely.

Any type of asteroid field that would be thick enough to create that type of signal would collapse into a single mass pretty quickly. Like months. The dust cloud/field would also have a very strong infrared glow. We don't find that here.



We don't see a major wobble, so it is not a large object. And to block 22% of the light from a star, it would have to be massive. Jupiter would only block 1% of the light. All the mass in the solar system would block less then 2% of the light.

I don't buy the alien theory. But what else.

Comets? Comets that blocks out 22% of the light from a sun. That is a massive comet.

Rocks or dust would create a very telling infrared glow.

The only thing I could point at would be a massive planetary collision. Two large Neptune hitting each other could create a massive field. Since it would only last a few years, it would not contain a repeatable infrared signature.

And it would contain enough material to block the light.

But to find an planetary collision in a system that does not have a dust or asteroid belt would be rare. Like aliens building megastructers rare.

What about the possibility of being a binary system with a brown dwarf or something causing it? Would it be reasonable to think a bunch of material is trying to coalesce into a large planet(s) but the tidal forces from the orbiting sister star keep ripping it apart? The asteroid belt is just a planet that Jupiter's gravity won't allow to form into a planet if I remember correctly, so if that process were cranked up to 11...

Not that I have any clue mind you, but the idea popped in my head reading your post, so I was hoping maybe you could knowledge bomb me on it. thumb.gif
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argument from ignorance lol


btw researchers propose its just trailing comet fragments

its only getting media attention because they want grant money
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Daily Mail UK and ALIENS, surely there's nothing dubious about that combination. /sarc

Its very difficult to take this seriously given the source. We're talking about a site where the main draw is Hollyweird celebutard articles for days.

Agreed; is this the start of The Daily Mail telling the British populace that Aliens are terrorists or future immigrants! Wrap up!
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Its the Replicator home world :rolleyes:

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Sorry, I was actually asking, but I think my butthurt over the Rangers game made it come out wrong. redface.gif

Look at the bright side, you still have the Cowboys to root for.

Oh wait... biggrin.gif
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What about the possibility of being a binary system with a brown dwarf or something causing it? Would it be reasonable to think a bunch of material is trying to coalesce into a large planet(s) but the tidal forces from the orbiting sister star keep ripping it apart? The asteroid belt is just a planet that Jupiter's gravity won't allow to form into a planet if I remember correctly, so if that process were cranked up to 11...

Not that I have any clue mind you, but the idea popped in my head reading your post, so I was hoping maybe you could knowledge bomb me on it. thumb.gif

Yes that was my thought on it, could be a stellar mass/cloud that is currently in the process of coming together to form a celestial body =ing a planet. The reason why it may be blocking as much of the star's radiant light as it does would probrably be a simple matter of how far it's spread out as a cloud. Doesn't really have to be "Dense" since clouds here can block out a good deal of light from our sun and we know they aren't that dense at all.

Speaking of Jupiter it has been said it's a mass that formed a planet and almost became a star, or in other words a failed star. It's already been proven binary star systems are actually quite common, more so that single star systems in fact.

Whatever it is I'm sure once more info has been gathered and better equipment comes into play we'll see it's something quite simple to explain yet still extraordinary. rolleyes.gif
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Not credible until we have a credible alien analyst. Someone call Geogio Tsukalous.
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Yes that was my thought on it, could be a stellar mass/cloud that is currently in the process of coming together to form a celestial body =ing a planet. The reason why it may be blocking as much of the star's radiant light as it does would probrably be a simple matter of how far it's spread out as a cloud. Doesn't really have to be "Dense" since clouds here can block out a good deal of light from our sun and we know they aren't that dense at all.

Speaking of Jupiter it has been said it's a mass that formed a planet and almost became a star, or in other words a failed star. It's already been proven binary star systems are actually quite common, more so that single star systems in fact.

Whatever it is I'm sure once more info has been gathered and better equipment comes into play we'll see it's something quite simple to explain yet still extraordinary. rolleyes.gif

Any mass that was there for 800 days would start to glow on infrared. We don't see that.

Jupiter is not a failed star. It is massive, but it is not that big. To begin basic fusion, you would need to have a mass about 75-85 times that of Jupiter and then slam Jupiter into it. To get a basic small sun, 100 times the mass.

And yes we can take a small star put in jupiter orbit and it would not really effect much. Europe might become a nice vacation spot.



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What about the possibility of being a binary system with a brown dwarf or something causing it? Would it be reasonable to think a bunch of material is trying to coalesce into a large planet(s) but the tidal forces from the orbiting sister star keep ripping it apart? The asteroid belt is just a planet that Jupiter's gravity won't allow to form into a planet if I remember correctly, so if that process were cranked up to 11...

Not that I have any clue mind you, but the idea popped in my head reading your post, so I was hoping maybe you could knowledge bomb me on it. thumb.gif

The star would wobble with that much mass from a brown star. We don't see that level of wobble.

It is possible for a mass to coalesce. But we would see the infrared signals from that and the light would not be consistent. And something like that happening around a star with no other major masses would be unlikely. Not impossible, but extremely unlikely.
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argument from ignorance lol


btw researchers propose its just trailing comet fragments

its only getting media attention because they want grant money

Ok, I get it. 22% is a lot of comet trails. To block that much sun out, it would have to be a comet trail that is millions of miles long. It would have to be one massive comet(like 20 times larger then Jupiter) or hundred of thousands of small ones. Comets would create infrared which we don't see.

It could be. The problem? If it is, then it is about as likely to happen as aliens building monoliths. And yes, regardless of what it is, we need to fund this research.



My best guess would be two Neptune size objects colliding and we have yet to see the heat produce on the infrared. They literally just collided while we where watching.

Which would be incredible, and very rare, almost as rare as alien buildings.
Edited by RiverOfIce - 10/16/15 at 1:38pm
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^ Lol please tell me how you calculated rarity of alien buildings and two neptunes colliding. The fact that this is bringing so much attention is because its rare.
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It's hard to read anything into this discovery when portions of Kepler mission data are probably never released to the public. Perhaps there are hundreds of stars flagged as 'bizarre' and this was just one singled out for a research paper that was lucky to be published.

I would be less impressed if the media announced, "several stars could be surrounded by Dyson spheres," because that implies a greater likelihood of a natural explanation. There are lots of unexplained things in the universe but no other instance of of a singular "bizarre" astral body comes to my mind, for what it's worth.

I'll accept the advanced intelligence hypothesis until scientists create a less contestable model of the phenomenon or it is revealed not to be one of a kind. SETI will probably find nothing as usual, the excitement will dwindle, and everyone will forget it ever existed.
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