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post #621 of 717
the rubber on the xornet 1 made your thumb sweat a lot which led to less grip during long gaming sessions.

the texture of the rubber on the xornet 2 allows better air flow so your thumb doesnt sweat so much
Edited by dasd - 6/27/16 at 6:05pm
post #622 of 717
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Originally Posted by dasd View Post

the rubber on the xornet 1 made your thumb sweat a lot which led to less grip during long gaming sessions.

the texture of the rubber on the xornet 2 allows better air flow so your thumb doesnt sweat so much

Cool theory. But only that... in practice - so far, I do hope to god it gets a little better - this Xornet II feels twice as heavy as the first Xornet. Because you have to apply much more force to be able to grip it. And then you have to be actively involved because you have to constantly adjust since it keeps slipping. I'm not kidding, I actually had to double-triple check if they changed the weight on this. Turns out the spec-wise it's 5grams lighter than the original. :O
post #623 of 717
Guys, I think I have a problem with my scroll wheel.

It has a slight wobble left to right, where it feels a little loose on the axle. If I push it right with just slightly more force then it registers as a middle click.
Wobble top-down where it has a slight play until it locks into the scroll mechanism and activates.

And if I just put my finger on it has some free movement making some annoying sounds.

Are your units exhibiting the same?
post #624 of 717
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Originally Posted by coccosoids View Post

Guys, I think I have a problem with my scroll wheel.

It has a slight wobble left to right, where it feels a little loose on the axle. If I push it right with just slightly more force then it registers as a middle click.
Wobble top-down where it has a slight play until it locks into the scroll mechanism and activates.

And if I just put my finger on it has some free movement making some annoying sounds.

Are your units exhibiting the same?

I have 2 of them, my "backup" (i.e. replacement) has the original scroll wheel and it exhibits no vertical or horizontal movement. I push down on the wheel and it activates the middle switch without any travel onto the plunger. However, I swapped the wheel out on my first Xornet II for the original Xornet's wheel and it does have horizontal movement as well as a micrometre of vertical travel onto the middle switch. The middle switch on my first one has been swapped out for a Huano so that's a factor, too.

Seeing as my "backup" doesn't have any of those problems, I'd say send that rodent back.
post #625 of 717
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Originally Posted by m0uz View Post

I have 2 of them, my "backup" (i.e. replacement) has the original scroll wheel and it exhibits no vertical or horizontal movement. I push down on the wheel and it activates the middle switch without any travel onto the plunger. However, I swapped the wheel out on my first Xornet II for the original Xornet's wheel and it does have horizontal movement as well as a micrometre of vertical travel onto the middle switch. The middle switch on my first one has been swapped out for a Huano so that's a factor, too.

Seeing as my "backup" doesn't have any of those problems, I'd say send that rodent back.

Hi there! Thanks for the feedback. To correct myself: I don't have any vertical travel, just forwards (up) - backwards (down). So the wheel has about 2mm of free travel, where the scroll doesn't register - this is annoying because I tend to tap scroll, tapping the scroll wheel slightly for on page scroll at a time and even though there is some slight travel on the first Xornet, due to the EXEMPLARY scroll wheel on that one I don't get annoyed by squeaking sounds like this one makes. Terribly annoying.
So again, just for clarity, to be sure if I can send this one back - on your original one there's no side to side movement - where if you push the scroll wheel from the left to right it registers a middle click?

Now, that out of the way can you tell me more about how and why you replaced the scroll wheel on yours? I hate the new scroll wheel and was thinking about solutions with mine. First thing that I was considering was to sand it off to the dimensions and roundness of the original one. smile.gif I hate the sharp details on this one, and the hardness of the new material. It makes my finger ache.

Second thought: did you do anything about the new coating? I can't get a good grip no matter what I try. I have to use twice as much force to hold this one, resulting in the unit feeling twice as heavy as the original, and fatigue installing in my arm twice as fast. Really interested in ideas here.

They also fudged up the clicks, they sound hollow and thin, the first one was better. But I'm thinking that after some dirt will fill some of the parting lines it will sound closer to the original.
post #626 of 717
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Originally Posted by coccosoids View Post

Hi there! Thanks for the feedback. To correct myself: I don't have any vertical travel, just forwards (up) - backwards (down). So the wheel has about 2mm of free travel, where the scroll doesn't register - this is annoying because I tend to tap scroll, tapping the scroll wheel slightly for on page scroll at a time and even though there is some slight travel on the first Xornet, due to the EXEMPLARY scroll wheel on that one I don't get annoyed by squeaking sounds like this one makes. Terribly annoying.
So again, just for clarity, to be sure if I can send this one back - on your original one there's no side to side movement - where if you push the scroll wheel from the left to right it registers a middle click?

Now, that out of the way can you tell me more about how and why you replaced the scroll wheel on yours? I hate the new scroll wheel and was thinking about solutions with mine. First thing that I was considering was to sand it off to the dimensions and roundness of the original one. smile.gif I hate the sharp details on this one, and the hardness of the new material. It makes my finger ache.

Second thought: did you do anything about the new coating? I can't get a good grip no matter what I try. I have to use twice as much force to hold this one, resulting in the unit feeling twice as heavy as the original, and fatigue installing in my arm twice as fast. Really interested in ideas here.

They also fudged up the clicks, they sound hollow and thin, the first one was better. But I'm thinking that after some dirt will fill some of the parting lines it will sound closer to the original.

Firstly, just about any mouse that uses a mechanical encoder will actuate middle click when you push it left or right. It depends on which side the encoder is on. If the encoder is to the left of the wheel, like the Xornet II, it'll actuate MMB when you push the wheel to the right and vice versa (encoder on right, push wheel to the left for MMB. The Torq X3 Optical is an example of this)

This might help you understand it a bit more. It basically pivots where the wheel goes into the encoder.



The scroll wheel replacement is drag and drop, really. You have to take out the scroll wheel LED but that's it. I'll edit with a photo of mine soon.

I never did anything with the new coating. I don't sweat a huge amount. I actually find the grips better on this one. Mask it off and give it a couple of coats of plastidip? confused.gif

I replaced the switches on mine with Huano pinks and they don't feel much different. Still very light to press. Only difference is the audible click is more of a snap sound.
post #627 of 717
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Originally Posted by m0uz View Post

The scroll wheel replacement is drag and drop, really. You have to take out the scroll wheel LED but that's it. I'll edit with a photo of mine soon.

I never did anything with the new coating. I don't sweat a huge amount. I actually find the grips better on this one. Mask it off and give it a couple of coats of plastidip? confused.gif

I replaced the switches on mine with Huano pinks and they don't feel much different. Still very light to press. Only difference is the audible click is more of a snap sound.

Lovely. Don't forget to post that photo if it's not too inconvenient.
I don't understand how anyone can actually say the coating is fine, especially compared to the first one. Sweat is not an issue... in fact, if I sweat a little I think it becomes a little grippier. My problem is dry hands, AC office environment. I don't game with it. It's like trying to hold a balloon made out of nylon.

About the scroll wheel - I actually have the EC 2 A plugged in and you're right. Of course. smile.gif What I meant is that the scroll wheel of the original does not behave like this, or rather - not this noticeable.

I'm also going to try to find out what that plastidip is and if I can get it in my region.

Do you think there's also something doable about click hardness? Maybe using different switches?

Really appreciate all your feedback. 10x
post #628 of 717
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Originally Posted by coccosoids View Post

Lovely. Don't forget to post that photo if it's not too inconvenient.
I don't understand how anyone can actually say the coating is fine, especially compared to the first one. Sweat is not an issue... in fact, if I sweat a little I think it becomes a little grippier. My problem is dry hands, AC office environment. I don't game with it. It's like trying to hold a balloon made out of nylon.

About the scroll wheel - I actually have the EC 2 A plugged in and you're right. Of course. smile.gif What I meant is that the scroll wheel of the original does not behave like this, or rather - not this noticeable.

I'm also going to try to find out what that plastidip is and if I can get it in my region.

Do you think there's also something doable about click hardness? Maybe using different switches?

Really appreciate all your feedback. 10x

So, you're talking about how the original Xornet has more wheel movement than the new Xornet?

Plastidipped ZA11 smile.gif
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Originally Posted by m0uz View Post



The Huano switches did increase the click resistance a bit but not from a DeathAdder level to a Zowie level.

Here's mine in its current frankenmouse-ish form


Edit: Note to self: I need a better camera
Edited by m0uz - 6/29/16 at 12:17pm
post #629 of 717
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Originally Posted by m0uz View Post

So, you're talking about how the original Xornet has more wheel movement than the new Xornet?

Plastidipped ZA11 smile.gif
The Huano switches did increase the click resistance a bit but not from a DeathAdder level to a Zowie level.

Here's mine in it's current frankenmouse-ish form

No, the original Xornet has a perfect scroll wheel in my book. The most remarkable thing about it is how well it substitutes a third button. The genius of it is how it requires the same amount of force to actuate. So when you go from a left click to a middle click everything is flowing naturally - there isn't this micro Hulk moment, where you have to transform in anticipation of pressing the scroll wheel. So my original Xornet does not wobble, does not make noises, and is god like easy to press. Perfect.

I take it that replacing the switches is a bit more involved that the scroll wheel? wink.gif
Anyway, one last thing - what TKL are you rocking there?
post #630 of 717
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Originally Posted by coccosoids View Post

No, the original Xornet has a perfect scroll wheel in my book. The most remarkable thing about it is how well it substitutes a third button. The genius of it is how it requires the same amount of force to actuate. So when you go from a left click to a middle click everything is flowing naturally - there isn't this micro Hulk moment, where you have to transform in anticipation of pressing the scroll wheel. So my original Xornet does not wobble, does not make noises, and is god like easy to press. Perfect.

I take it that replacing the switches is a bit more involved that the scroll wheel? wink.gif
Anyway, one last thing - what TKL are you rocking there?

I actually completely agree with what you're saying. Too many mice have horribly stiff middle clicks.

Yeah, you need some soldering gear to replace switches.

It's the CM Storm Quickfire Rapid-i with Brown switches. Recently came from the Quickfire TKL with Blue switches but found them too noisey.

Edit: Also, not much you can really do about the scroll wheel problem unless yours is faulty. Still not 100% sure what your problem is, tbh
Edited by m0uz - 6/29/16 at 12:23pm
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