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Hello all, I'm getting slowly fed up by my 37" screen.
It's too close to my face, and the PPI is just too small. I'm getting eyestrain as well.
I'll use it as a TV in my room, and my LG 21.5" will still remain as my monitoring screen (for temps and such) since it has some problems and it can't be used as a primary monitor due to them.

I came across 4 refurbished monitors at a store that sells used components :

SAMSUNG 244T - 1920x1200
HP LA2205W - 1680x1050
SAMSUNG 2243 - 1920x1200 (I actually found on the internet that it's 1050p, but it's listed as 1920x1200, I might be wrong..)
Dell UltraSharp 2208WFP - 1680x1050

3 of these are 86.46$, or 75€, while the 244T is 95€ or 109.67$.
I'd prefer 1920x1200, but 1680x1050 doesn't bother me. I prefer a better 1050p screen than a bad 1920x1200.

The 244T has a 8ms response time, that's kind of off-putting.

I am very well aware that they're not anything to write home about, but this is all the money I have for this investment, and kinda the only monitors I can choose from.
So, with this in mind, what's the best out of these 4 ? I plan to game on it mostly, and I know they're all kind of meh and TN and stuff, but I've played on worse. Hell I'm playing games on a ~2009 TV now and it can't be worse than that, right ?

Any help is very much appreciated fellas.

Redzo
Edited by Redzo - 10/17/15 at 1:14pm
    
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I would recommend the 244T if I had to pick from that list. However, I absolutly hate 1680x1050 displays.

8ms is fast enough for 60 Hz, lower will not offer significantly lower visible motion blur (due to eye-tracking motion blur). It looks to be a VA (S-PVA), not TN, panel too. The concern is that old VA's are not actually 8ms for all transitions with some transitions much higher. Still it is the best of all your options in my opinion.

Even OLEDs, with almost instant pixel response times, have motion blur. This BlurBusters article, "Why Do Some OLEDs Have Motion Blur?" has a very good explanation why.
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I would recommend the 244T if I had to pick from that list. However, I absolutly hate 1680x1050 displays.

8ms is fast enough for 60 Hz, lower will not offer significantly lower visible motion blur (due to eye-tracking motion blur). It looks to be a VA, not TN, panel too. The concern is that old VA's are not actually 8ms for all transitions with some transitions much higher. Still it is the best of all your options in my opinion.

Even OLEDs with almost instant pixel response times have motion blur, this BlurBusters article, "Why Do Some OLEDs Have Motion Blur?" has a very good explanation why.

Thanks for the reply, according to the internet, the panel is actually 6ms, seems like the page got that wrong too:

LINK to TrustedReviews for starters. Though that could be wrong too. Hell if I know. Some places say 6ms Grey-to-Grey, and others 8ms. I'm guessing these two are different and I should consider it as a 8ms monitor.

Making it even better it seems (if it's 6ms). Cannot for the life of me find what's the exact panel, VA or TN.

EDIT : Seems like it's a PVA /VA panel. Finally found it.
Edited by Redzo - 10/17/15 at 4:13pm
    
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Cannot for the life of me find what's the exact panel, VA or TN.

EDIT : Seems like it's a PVA /VA panel. Finally found it.

I wonder if they changed from a PVA to a TN panel at some point without changing the model name? S-PVA panels in 2007 did not have 6ms response times and TN panels do not have 178° viewing angles. confused.gif

Maybe not so good for gaming:
Don't mention the lag

Sorry I couldn't be more help. frown.gif

edit: This site reports it as having a "16ms, 8ms" response time but in the description calls it "SAMSUNG 244t 24in 6ms Widescreen LCD Monitor". tongue.gif
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Seems like it's off the list. Can't have lag affecting my play.

What do you think about the UltraSharp? 1680x1050 is fine by me, I just care about the gaming on it and the colors (image quality). Resolution - more or less (Of course it's not ideal, but I can live with 1680x1050).

It seems to have a solid rep, some users report red looking bright orange though..... I believe it's IPS Nope, TN lol. Seems so.

EDIT : 244T - Seems to lag behind pretty nastily frown.gif


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Well that is a very standard crappy TN display, for what it is worth. A 92% gamut explains the orangeish reds too. However it is probably as good as any 1680x1050 TN. redface.gif

Now the 2208WFP would be my first choice, for gaming, given the lag issue on the 244T. The 2243 also seems like a decent option, quite similar to the Dell but with a lower max brightness.

The HP LA2205W does not look like a good option:

"The monitor can accept a maximum of 720p signals, at a setting of 1080p, an error message appears and the screen turns off after some time in hibernation. Before switching off the signal is reproduced in the background, so this step seems a little too strict."

Edit: After looking into the gamut it seems like the Samsung 2243 might have a better gamut, close to full sRGB and covers all the red in the sRGB gamut. Xbit labs has a good review of the Samsung.

There is more to look at when deciding on the right cheap TN than I though. wink.gif
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So, given the info, I dropped the 244T and the LA2205W out.
That leaves the UltraSharp and the 2243.

I think it's a toss-up really, both are meh monitors, but fine enough, for me going from a meh E2240S (VGA only 1080p 22" screen currently used for temp monitoring because its colors-pixels are whacked, fixed one capacitor but it's still happening, don't know what's causing it, everything else is in order) to a meh 37" 1080p TV (yay non-existent PPI !) it seems that it won't be a problem (that much). It's not like I'm downgrading from a 1440p 144Hz panel or something.

Flip a coin ?redface.gif

EDIT : Given the info, @Asmodian, 2243 it is ? Seems like it thinking.gif

There seems to be a whole science behind picking between cheap TNs tongue.gif
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Yes, I think the 2243 won, based on everything I found. smile.gif
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I was wondering if your LG is salvageable , is it the display or is it just the inverter or power board , they are pretty cheap to repair / replace.
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All the internal components are fine, there was one bad cap that I replaced (just before the output ribbon cable to the panel). All the other internal components checked out.
The monitor has a power brick but I didn't check that out yet.
You get these weird purple jumping skipping pixels on certain colors, but the picture itself bar that is fine so I use it for temperatures.
When you're on anything BUT the native resolution, the picture skips around, cuts in half and does all kinds of weird stuff. On the native 1920x1080, it works fine except the weird pixels jumping around everywhere.
    
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AMD Phenom II x6 1055T [3.932GHz, 2.56GHz NB] ASUS M4A89GTD PRO/USB3 GTX 960 G1 4GB 1500MHz / 8000MHz (+65mV) Kingston HyperX 2x4 GB @ 1493MHz 8-8-8-27-1T 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
WD Caviar Blue 500GB 7200 RPM 16MB Samsung 850 EVO 120GB LG RW Noctua NH-D14 
OSMonitorMonitorKeyboard
Windows 7 Ultimate x64 37" FHD TV (Native 1080p) LG 22MP47 1080p - IPS Generic Genius Keyboard 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
SilverStone Strider (SST-ST75F-P) 750W Modular,... Thermaltake SopranoRS (Side Panel Off) Redragon M601 Centrophorus Razer Goliathus Control (M) 
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