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Dresdenboy lol, i like those Jim Butcher books too but that name... I think im going to upgrade to Zen once it comes out as long as its faster than my 4.5 GHZ 2500k.
Or more likely he's from Dresden(the German city), were AMD and now Glofo have some of their fabs
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The k12 is probably 14nm where as zen is probably 16nm reason being is that the ARMv8 cores are already being produced at 14nm for others and soon 10nm so k12 at 14nm should be pretty easy to make.
Probably the other way around. K12 is a smaller ARM chip and is likely produced by TSMC(they call their FinFET 16nm), while Zen is a larger x86-64 design and is probably made on Glofo/Samsung's LPP process(they call their FinFET 14nm). Though I do wonder if the Samsung made SoCs in the Iphone 6s are made on LPE or LPP. It I'm guessing LPE as it's probably too early for LPP. Can anyone confirm?
post #12 of 44
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Originally Posted by Disharmonic View Post

Or more likely he's from Dresden(the German city), were AMD and now Glofo have some of their fabs
Probably the other way around. K12 is a smaller ARM chip and is likely produced by TSMC(they call their FinFET 16nm), while Zen is a larger x86-64 design and is probably made on Glofo/Samsung's LPP process(they call their FinFET 14nm). Though I do wonder if the Samsung made SoCs in the Iphone 6s are made on LPE or LPP. It I'm guessing LPE as it's probably too early for LPP. Can anyone confirm?

LPP wasnt ready till very recently so no SoCs on the market have been produced with LPP.
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In one way or another (based on recent rumors) either Zen or Arctic Islands will either be on 14nm or 16nm. Seems rumors have swayed in both directions, with either CPUs or GPUs (meaning both have been purported to be on 14nm or 16nm at one time). The question really is which one is which exactly, however, you can bet based on this engineer's linked in profile that at least one of them will be on 14nm or 16nm (one being one and another being another).

Read the text again.

He mention ARM and x86 APUs/CPUs

ARM = 14nm because its LP (low power)
Zen = 16nm because its not LP but HP

The K12 he mention is SOCs based on ARM which will be 14nm. Styx is one of them
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Originally Posted by escksu View Post

AMD's final shot at the CPU market. If Zen fails, its the end of them

psychotic bullkaka, they manufacture more installed chips globally than intel and apple combined
post #15 of 44
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Originally Posted by iLeakStuff View Post

Read the text again.

He mention ARM and x86 APUs/CPUs

ARM = 14nm because its LP (low power)
Zen = 16nm because its not LP but HP

The K12 he mention is SOCs based on ARM which will be 14nm. Styx is one of them


If 14nm was lower power, the Wipelake processors would use less power than their 22nm predicessors.

Rumors are they're doing 14nmpp apu and arm and then 16nm cpu and gpu. Dunno where option E. All of The Above are getting their rumors but it sounds like they're coming from the circlejerkium nebula past the nervidiom fanbwah field.

It will be stunningly interesting to have cpu function on the same tape-out in both 14 and 16nm.
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Originally Posted by Disharmonic View Post

Or more likely he's from Dresden(the German city), were AMD and now Glofo have some of their fabs
Probably the other way around. K12 is a smaller ARM chip and is likely produced by TSMC(they call their FinFET 16nm), while Zen is a larger x86-64 design and is probably made on Glofo/Samsung's LPP process(they call their FinFET 14nm). Though I do wonder if the Samsung made SoCs in the Iphone 6s are made on LPE or LPP. It I'm guessing LPE as it's probably too early for LPP. Can anyone confirm?
I think you may be right...
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If 14nm was lower power, the Wipelake processors would use less power than their 22nm predicessors.

Rumors are they're doing 14nmpp apu and arm and then 16nm cpu and gpu. Dunno where option E. All of The Above are getting their rumors but it sounds like they're coming from the circlejerkium nebula past the nervidiom fanbwah field.

It will be stunningly interesting to have cpu function on the same tape-out in both 14 and 16nm.

I dont think Intel have low or high power process though. Just one tailored for their CPUs.

28nm from TSMC had both LP and HP
20nm from TSMC had only LP
14nm from Samsung/GlobalFoundries still only have LP, well two if you count the upcoming LPP and the existing one that is LPE, both which is Low Power anc only useful for SOCs and broadband hardware and such
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Will they "get it done" this time?
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Since it's taped out can't they release it this year? Right now AMD needs to get ahead of the game to have any chance of significant market penetration.
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Since it's taped out can't they release it this year? Right now AMD needs to get ahead of the game to have any chance of significant market penetration.

Amd wouldnt have any priority on wafers. Usually apple gets priority on newer fab processes. Hence why apple has two varients of the same phone, a 16nm tsmc and a 14nm samsung to keep up with the demand
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